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korporat male fascism macht ganz gluck!ch + fre! n!chtz





tbyfield {AT} panix.com

would you mind if we do 'integergrams'? or, since that's
a pretty klunky name, if you don't mind this idea do you
have another suggestion? the problem is simple, same for
others who send in lots of stuff (e.g., ivo skoric, more
recently this arun person): condensing x>1 messages into
1 message helps keep traffic down (by one metric).

cheers,
t





>Terrence writes; addtl lo.tekk refusz.

>Media is what media does? If the online cultural media form can be more and
>follow a para cultural model of its own design then so be it. It does not
>mean it can't lend itself to old media venues. It can do so on its own terms.
>The danger is if it can't believe that it can be a self supporting para
>culture or worse that it deeply desires to have the approbation and praise
>and symbolic rewards of the current academic/institutionally driven museum
>network. It does not mean that is bad but if that is what your resisting then
>it may be a good thing to think of a model that creates demand for its own
>art product and cultural service.
>
>Why bother with forming some utopia infrastructure unless you feel that will
>give you support or credibility. A will to servive may be all that you need.
>That at least is admirable trait in a consumer culture. I disagree that the
>"former ineffectual structures" which i believe they are anything but are
>actually there to exist for itself. The byproduct is culture and cultural
>consumption that is hand fed by excess. Also informal is not necessarily
>noise if there is self edition and the will to survive as coherently as the
>audience you wish to seduce needs to be seduced in a way that makes it
>titilating enough for them to loosen their purse strings. Culture here can be
>as exciting, thoughtfully and meaningfully as you make it. Why waste time
>even bitching to those who you feel are paying little more than lipservice.
>(They are not listening to you, especially if you want them to go a way or
>change. They simply won't.) Which really i don't believe they are doing. I
>belive they do what hey are best at. What looks good looks good on them. Get
>it? If you feel their brand of cultural seduction makes you the prostitute in
>the equation rather then a very effective partner in actualization then the
>para form may be the ways to go. Just don't go looking for handouts while you
>make your bid for cultural freedom as you sell yo as.
>
>
>Terrence Kosick
>artnatural
>
>
>
>
>hromlegn kainn wrote:
>
>> Pamphlet for a new and cultural resistent art by a resistant culture: Hand
>> over that media! Now!
>>
>> Century +1.
>>
>> After the desillusion of the discourse that never-ended, the dialog that
>> never-existed , and the history that never-started , the postmodernists
>> slowly faded away in the millennium bug that never-happened. So, done and
>> over with the nineties, 2000 is like starting civilisation in the desert
>> amidst the carcasses of a bovine culture: yes, ill-literacy is everywhere.
>> That means that the happy haydays of netart, media-art, net-activism and
>> web-art, are over. If there ever was a hope that new artists and
>> media-activists would mix, mingle and create a new context, build a new
>> infrastructure for a new kind of future art, it is certainly forgotten and
>> abandoned now. Push that escape button to get elsewhere, quick.
>>
>> So much.
>>
>> So much for the individual original web-media-artist-activist, who happily
>> continues to compromise him/herself with setting up high-art competitions,
>> living from official grants to talk and have a jet-kick in global
>> abundance. More and more, formerly alternative and virtual networks are
>> taking part in officially supported initiatives set up by universities,
>> governments and super-governmental organisms. The danger of "subsumption"
>> is immanent: any part taking into the former and ineffective structures,
>> will be punished by loss of memory, identity, and bodyweight. Voila!
>>
>> The stop-start.
>>
>> So, we should stop looking at the past for anything else than the past,
>> and we should stop looking for explosives since no one ever hotwired
>> anything.  Next to selling the future in reverse, and giving webart to the
>> museums, webinstruction to the schools, there are more urgent things to
>> handle. We should turn over current power and skills to totally 'informal'
>> organisations. Back to the young and inexperienced, back to the noise -
>> digital noise - and let it develop by itself. No involvement by the
>> ministries of culture, education, family, playground, television,
>> computers, internet, whatever... Give it a chance, start! Even if it all
>> ends in "outcome uncertain", stay tuned for the blank screen, the
>> silence.ra, the failure:hooray! And know that there are worse things to
>> come.
>>
>> [hromlegnkainn {AT} dbonanzah.org, 2001-1]
>> http://www.dbonanzah.org/untitled.html
>>
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