KATERINA D. on 11 Feb 2001 01:15:35 -0000 |
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[Nettime-bold] Re: <nettime> Baudrillard and the 1983 comments |
Baudrillard has been discussing the new developments in technology and communication, principally associated with Internet, during the last years. His stance is highly sceptical, at times aphoristic of a medium which according to his theory exemplifies hyper-reality and fakeness. katerin ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.M.G" <jay@gibsonnet.net> To: <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net> Sent: &Pgr;&agr;&rgr;&agr;&sgr;&kgr;&egr;&ugr;&eeacgr;, 9 &PHgr;&egr;&bgr;&rgr;&ogr;&ugr;&agr;&rgr;&iacgr;&ogr;&ugr; 2001 5:12 &pgr;&mgr; Subject: Re: <nettime> Baudrillard and the 1983 comments > <...> > >Why would an "overproduction" (relative to what?) of meaning and > >discourse result in an undecipherable reality? when was there a > >situation when reality was easily and uncontroversially "decipherable"? > >I suspect Baudrillard is talking about some of the campaigns of the > >1970s, conducted largely by mimeograph and photocopy and telephone, > >the most prominent example in Paris being solidarity with Russian and > >East Block dissidents and prisoners of conscience. By "electronic" he > >probably means mass media like TV and radio. > > I welocme all of your comments; > * Baudrillard in this footnote mentions the initial actions of the students > during the Paris 'event'. He writes: > > "One would not hesitate to analyse the intervention of the media in May > 1968 in this sense. The extension given to the student action permitted > the general strike, but the latter was precisely a black box which > neutralised the original virulence of the movement. The very amplification > was a mortal trap and not a positive extension." > > * Yes Baudrillard largely talks of radio and television (hence his > discussion of McLuhan). However how do his remarks fair in light of the > Internet? > > j. > > > >At 1:10:50 AM on Thursday, February 08, 2001, jay@gibsonnet.net wrote: > > > >> Baudrillard in a footnote to his 'Implosion of Meaning in the Media' > (1983) > >> writes: > > > >> "Distrust the universalisation of struggles through information. Distrust > >> campaigns of solidarity that is both electronic and worldwide. Every > >> strategy of the universlaisation of differences is an entropic strategy of > >> the system." > <...> > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://www.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold