Ronda Hauben on 14 Feb 2001 01:22:30 -0000 |
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[Nettime-bold] Re: <nettime> Usenet archives sold? |
"jon lebkowsky" <jonl@well.com> wrote: >Um, deja has evidently gone away, Ronda. ebay's Half.com acquired the >'Precision Buying Service,' and Google acquired the usenet archives. >Google would not have acquired the archives without the intention of >making them accessible. Because Google's search technology is (arguably) >better than deja's, this is a good thing. It may be better, but the problem is that a business can't recognize the obligations and responsibility of a public treasure and resource like the Usenet archives. That is what the petition of over 3000 people to deja.com shows. A different kind of entity than a business with bottom line objectives is needed to take up the responsibilities of such an archives and to provide the research support that the archiving requires. See the story at http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/16851.html on this. Google posted this info: >"Due to time and technical constraints, it is not feasible for Google to >maintain the interface and feature-set to which you are accustomed. We >have been working hard to make this beta service available while we >transition to a more full-featured offering. We appreciate your >understanding and patience as we add the features you expect (including >posting and better browsing)." This is what you would expect them to say but the bottom line is that they aren't continuing the access to the archives at this time and they they claim they own it and it is their intellectual property. This is a dilemma for the Usenet community and for the Internet community. >Nobody owns usenet. Anybody could archive the newsgroups. Deja built its >business on such an archive, but its business failed. It had every right >to sell the archive that it had collected and indexed and offered as a >core service for years. If some public or academic institution wants to >archive usenet, it should certainly do so, but IMO it has no inherent >'right' to the archives that deja accumulated. This is the problem that deja.com's sale of the archives to google presents to the Usenet community. In their press release announcing their purchase, google says: "Google Inc today announced that it has acquired Deja.com's Usenet Discussion Service. this acquision provides Google with Deja's entire Usenet archive (dating back to 1995) software domain names including deja.com and dejanews.com, company trademarks, and ohter intellectual property." It isn't appropriate for anyone to consider the Usenet archives their intellectual property. The problem is that deja.com didn't feel it had any obligations back to the Usenet community to provide the archives with an appropriate home when it would not longer make it available. Instead it was an object to sell to another company. This is what is wrong with any company taking over the archives and considering it theirs. Ronda ronda@panix.com _______________________________________________ Nettime-bold mailing list Nettime-bold@nettime.org http://www.nettime.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nettime-bold