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>Every succesful Balkan male over 40 suffers from high blood 
>pressure and some sort of a heart problem, including my dad and, 
>evidently, Slobodan Milosevic. I believe that high collesterol levels 
>were assumed to be a status symbol in former Yugoslavia, and 
>that men clogged their arteries with lard in an attempt to raise their 
>sex appeal gently growing their beer/wine bellies as a sign of 
>prestige. Also, it is expected from a man to have short temper, 
>which again, contributes to the risk of heart disease. And they are 
>stubborn: they'd rather die than give up their habit.
>
>Seriously. Doctors told my dad that he was at risk of heart attack 
>20 years ago and that he should change diet, give up alcohol, live 
>less stressfully. He did not change anything, and he still lives and 
>he is still at risk of heart attack, and fortunately he is on the good 
>side of statistics (his diastolic pressure hasn't been under 100 for 
>the past 20 years). If Milosevic is of the same stock, he may live 
>longer than all the judges at ICTY despite whiskey, roasted lamb 
>and Cuban cigars.
>
>I didn't know that roasted lamb was Slobo's favorite dish. But I 
>should have expected. After all, in every culture status is 
>connected with a certain way of life, certain clothes, certain foods, 
>drinks, sports, etc. Like here in the US, rich and socially 
>upscalish, play golf - in former Yugoslavia they played tennis (note 
>that Tudjman was an avid tennis player). What do they eat here? 
>Lobster? I guess, there are too many options in the U.S. In former 
>Yugoslavia there was roasted lamb.
>
>Roasted lamb unites all post-Yugoslav countries: it is devoured by 
>upstanding Serbs, Croats and Bosnian Muslims alike. Croats and 
>Serbs also eat roasted pork, but the status of pork is clearly below 
>lamb (and that is also reflected in price). Roasted lamb is also my 
>father's favorite dish. I ate so much roasted lamb when I was a kid 
>that I am now sick even thinking of it. If anyone is interested, I can 
>give you a list of top restaurants in Zagreb, where you can get the 
>best roasted lamb (also the best time to go is March...), and the 
>mention of the last name that I share with my dad, will make head 
>waiters be very responsive to you.
>
>Lamb also needs to be bathed in copious quantities of white whine 
>(my dad's favorite: Grasevina from Kutjevo wineries). All in all I 
>remember my old man being able to eat a pound of lamb and drink 
>a quart of 'grasevina' - of course, that main dish was always 
>preceded with cevapcici and other (meat again) smaller dishes, 
>while we waited for the lamb to roast. Dishes without meat in 
>former Yugoslavia were not considered meals. I doubt Milosevic will 
>die. But maybe ICTY can enforce a healthier diet on him, that 
>doctors in Zagreb can't do with my dad.
>
>ivo
>
>ps - on Holbroke's drink: pear brandy is higher up on status ladder 
>than plum brandy; every schmuck drinks plum brandy; of course 
>Milosevic got his US friend drunk on the best available brandy 
>around....
> 
>date sent:              Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:12:55 -0400
>send reply to:          Thomas Keenan <keenan@bard.edu>
>from:                   Thomas Keenan <keenan@bard.edu>
>subject:                Milosevic Ill; Genocide Trial Is Cast in Doubt
>to:                     JUSTWATCH-L@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
>
>Cross-posting of commentary only permitted
>
>Reports from the New York Times, Washington Post, and BBC on Milosevic's
>health. Marlise Simons in the Times suggests, not (as the headline puts
>it)  that the trial is 'in doubt,' but that the medical findings are
>"almost certain to change the pace and the shape of his war crimes trial."
>
>        The witnesses from Mr. Milosevic's government have been a boon for
>        the prosecution, with policemen and soldiers who were on active
>        duty during the war giving sometimes shocking details about
>        atrocities against ethnic Albanians.
>
>        But the mood among prosecutors and observers anxious to see Mr.
>        Milosevic brought to justice has been far from upbeat.  Rather,
>        the confirmation of Mr. Milosevic's ill health has caused alarm.
>        While it is not being said out loud, there is deep concern among
>        court officials about the repercussions if Mr. Milosevic could no
>        longer appear in court or suffered a heart attack.
>
>For amusement, I have also included the BBC's special report on
>Millosevic's eating and drinking habits, "Milosevic the bon viveur."
>
>Thomas Keenan
>Human Rights Project
>Bard College
>=========================================================================
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/26/international/europe/26MILO.html
>
>Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company
>Friday, July 26, 2002; A1
>
>Milosevic Ill; Genocide Trial Is Cast in Doubt
>By MARLISE SIMONS
>
>THE HAGUE, July 25 - The former Yugoslav president, Slobodan Milosevic,
>suffers from severe heart disease and dangerously high blood pressure, and
>needs medical treatment and less work in court, the United Nations war
>crimes tribunal announced today.
>
>The finding that Mr. Milosevic runs a serious risk of a heart attack is
>almost certain to change the pace and the shape of his war crimes trial,
>the most important such prosecution since Nazi and Japanese commanders
>were tried after World War II. The trial opened five months ago and, even
>at the current rate, could last three years.
>
>Mr. Milosevic, who is 60, is conducting his own defense in the
>proceedings, which began with charges involving the war he waged against
>Kosovo Albanians in 1998 and 1999. He is charged with genocide committed
>during the war in Bosnia, and it now seems it could be many months before
>he answers that accusation.
>
>During his 13 years in power, Mr. Milosevic led the Serbs through four
>wars - in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo - that killed more than
>200,000 people and drove more than a million from their homes.
>
>The report of serious health problems came as the trial entered a
>fascinating new phase, with key members of the former Milosevic government
>- including the chief of the secret police - testifying about the inner
>workings of the secretive regime as it repressed Albanians in Kosovo in
>1998 and 1999.
>
>Trial judges had ordered a thorough medical checkup of Mr.  Milosevic
>after he fell ill for the second time in June.  They suspended proceedings
>for a third time a week ago, when Mr. Milosevic's already high blood
>pressure rose sharply.
>
>The presiding judge, Richard May, said today that the medical report
>described Mr. Milosevic "as a man with severe cardiovascular risk which
>demands careful future monitoring." He said it recommended treatment by a
>heart specialist and a reduction in Mr. Milosevic's workload.  Judge May
>said the court was ordering such treatment and would then decide how to
>proceed.
>
>Today Mr. Milosevic's former secret police chief, Rade Markovic, appeared
>as a witness for the prosecution. Mr.  Markovic was transferred here from
>his prison cell in Belgrade, where he is being held on charges of
>murdering political opponents, and he is seen as a close Milosevic ally
>who may shed light on how atrocities in Kosovo were covered up.
>
>Mr. Markovic, who ran the secret police for the last two years of Mr.
>Milosevic's rule, told the court that Interior Ministry and military
>officials reported in detail to Mr.  Milosevic each day on their
>activities.
>
>The witnesses from Mr. Milosevic's government have been a boon for the
>prosecution, with policemen and soldiers who were on active duty during
>the war giving sometimes shocking details about atrocities against ethnic
>Albanians.
>
>But the mood among prosecutors and observers anxious to see Mr. Milosevic
>brought to justice has been far from upbeat.  Rather, the confirmation of
>Mr. Milosevic's ill health has caused alarm. While it is not being said
>out loud, there is deep concern among court officials about the
>repercussions if Mr. Milosevic could no longer appear in court or suffered
>a heart attack.
>
>Lawyers who work with Mr. Milosevic said his heart condition is not new.
>He has been hospitalized in Yugoslavia in the past for heart trouble and
>he was also taking medicine for high blood pressure while in detention in
>Belgrade before his arrival in The Hague just over a year ago, the lawyers
>said.
>
>"In Belgrade and here, he always says he is fine," said one lawyer, Zdenko
>Tomanovic, who sees Mr. Milosevic almost every day. "He takes medicine but
>he never complains and never wants extra care."
>
>The medical report ordered by the court was prepared by two Dutch doctors
>from outside the prison who examined Mr.  Milosevic. A Serbian
>cardiologist from the Military Medical Academy in Belgrade who had treated
>Mr. Milosevic before and who had come to The Hague at his request was
>present during the examination.
>
>At today's hearing, the judges did not disclose any details from the
>report, but a lawyer who had seen it said Mr.  Milosevic has a severe
>problem in his left artery and damage to the heart.
>
>"This, together with the high blood pressure, puts him at high risk for a
>heart attack," the lawyer said, referring to the report. He said the
>doctors felt that the physical stress of the Yugoslav's illness and the
>stress of the trial have depressed his immune system, which has made him
>more prone to infections. Mr. Milosevic has had two long bouts of flu with
>high fever this year.
>
>Mr. Milosevic's systolic blood pressure is about 200, though last week it
>suddenly rose above 240 and hearings were suspended for two days, the
>lawyer said. A reading of 140 to 160 would be normal.
>
>The task he has undertaken, conducting his own defense, is enormous by any
>standards. He has insisted on cross-examining every witness, and there
>have been 100 so far.
>
>Mr. Milosevic, who often looks unwell, interrogates witnesses longer than
>the prosecution. During a hearing today, the chief prosecutor, Geoffrey
>Nice, said that since the beginning of the trial, prosecutors had held the
>floor in court for 93 hours and Mr. Milosevic for 140 hours.
>
>The two lawyers from Belgrade who assist him say he often spends his
>evenings preparing questions. To prepare for the next portion of the
>trial, dealing with the wars in Croatia and Bosnia, he recently received
>90,000 pages and 500 videocassettes. "I will need 360 days just to read
>this once," he said today in court.
>
>Prosecutors today suggested that the court impose a lawyer on Mr.
>Milosevic to reduce his workload. Judge Patrick Robinson proposed a
>compromise: that the Serb share the cross-examinations with a lawyer
>without losing his right to defend himself.
>
>"That would allow you some rest," the judge said. "It's a bit unusual but
>it has happened in some places."
>
>Mr. Milosevic said he would hold on to every opportunity to "speak the
>truth."
>
>"I do not recognize this court and I have no intention of appointing a
>counsel for a nonexisting court," he said.
>
>"As for my health," he went on, "I never asked in these months for a
>single break. The fact that you ordered a medical examination and now you
>have a report, that's your problem. You should not harbor any illusion
>that I'm asking for anything."
>
>Judge Robinson responded: "Your health is of paramount concern to the
>chamber. The overriding concern for me is your health."
>
>--------------
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2176-2002Jul25.html
>
>Copyright 2002 The Washington Post Company
>Friday, July 26, 2002; Page A30
>
>Milosevic Gets Health Warning
>By Keith B. Richburg
>Washington Post Foreign Service
>
>PARIS, July 25 -- Judges in the war crimes trial of Slobodan Milosevic in
>The Hague said today that the former Yugoslav president is at serious risk
>of a heart attack if he continues to insist on acting as his own attorney
>and spend hours in heated cross-examinations of witnesses.
>
>The three-judge panel, revealing the results of medical tests conducted
>last month on Milosevic, 60, recommended that he appoint an assistant to
>help him in the complex case, and suggested that if he resisted, the panel
>would impose "measures" to protect his health and reduce his workload.
>
>Milosevic rejected the idea of an assistant. "I have never demanded any
>medical checkup, not even when I suffered a high fever," he said, firing
>back angrily at the judges. "You should not harbor any illusion that I am
>asking for anything."
>
>The trial has already been suspended three times, as Milosevic has
>grappled with flu and high blood pressure.
>
>Some prosecutors and court watchers have said they thought he was
>bluffing, but today the judges disagreed. "Milosevic is a man with serious
>cardiovascular risk which requires future monitoring," said the presiding
>judge, Richard May.
>
>"His workload must be reduced and the medical treatment by a cardiologist
>is most advisable," May said. He said the court would await further tests
>and "consider any option that may be available for the future conduct of
>the trial."
>
>Neither he nor the other judge who spoke, Patrick Robinson, said what
>those other options might be. But court watchers said the options might
>include appointing a defense lawyer to represent Milosevic even against
>his wishes; legal analysts said the judges might have concluded that he is
>currently not getting a proper defense, which could lead to a conviction
>being overturned on appeal.
>
>Milosevic maintained the same defiance today that he has shown throughout
>the lengthy trial, which began early this year and has heard testimony
>about abuses committed against ethnic Albanians by Serbian security forces
>in Kosovo, a province of Serbia, the dominant republic of Yugoslavia, in
>1998 and 1999.
>
>The trial is scheduled to wrap up next year, after shifting in October to
>cover war crimes -- including genocide -- allegedly committed in Bosnia
>and Croatia during the violent breakup of Yugoslavia in the early 1990s.
>
>Milosevic has complained that he did not have adequate time to prepare his
>defense. He spends each night in his cell alone poring over voluminous
>prosecution documents and outlining his cross-examinations.
>
>On the upcoming Bosnian and Croatian indictments against him, he said he
>was given 90,000 pages of documents to read and 500 cassette tapes to
>listen to.
>
>Prosecutors have long protested Milosevic's strategy of representing
>himself, believing that he is deliberately delaying the presentation of
>their complex case by engaging in lengthy cross-examinations that sound
>more like political speeches.
>
>Also, without a cooperative attorney on the opposite side, the prosecutors
>have no counterpart to meet with regularly to decide, for example, which
>undisputed points can be agreed to beforehand, and which witnesses can be
>allowed to submit written testimony.
>
>Even while he takes part energetically in the proceedings, Milosevic
>declares that he does not recognize the legitimacy of the U.N. court,
>calling it a tool of the NATO alliance victors who bombed Yugoslavia in
>1999.
>
>Responding to May's suggestion today that he take on an assistant counsel
>to help with cross-examination, Milosevic said: "You are an honorable man.
>[But] this entire matter is a farce. I have no intention of appointing
>counsel for a nonexistent court."
>
>----------------
>
>Copyright MMII BBC News
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2150951.stm
>
>Thursday, 25 July, 2002, 15:02 GMT 16:02 UK
>
>'Heart risk' Milosevic told to rest
>
>A full health check on former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has
>found he is at serious risk of a heart attack and will need to rest.
>
>"The medical report describes the accused as a man with severe
>cardiovascular risks," presiding judge Richard May, told the international
>war crimes tribunal in The Hague.
>
>Mr Milosevic faces more than 60 counts of war crimes, genocide and crimes
>against humanity relating to the wars which broke up the former Yugoslavia
>in the 1990s.
>
>The prosecution's top insider witness, former Serbian secret service chief
>Rade Markovic, told the tribunal on Thursday that Mr Milosevic had known
>of alleged atrocities by the Yugoslav police and army in Kosovo.
>
>He said Mr Milosevic had been the effective boss of state security
>operations against the ethnic Albanian population in Kosovo during the
>1998-1999 war which led to Nato intervention.
>
>Mr Milosevic, 60, is due to cross-examine Mr Markovic on Friday.
>
>Health problems
>
>The former Yugoslav leader has suffered at least two bouts of flu since
>his trial started in February, causing proceedings to be delayed by a
>month.
>
>However, he has conducted a robust defence, and never looked frail.
>
>In April last year, he was rushed to hospital with chest pains, but was
>subsequently given a clean bill of health.
>
>Last week he was temporarily unable to attend hearings because of high
>blood pressure.
>
>Experts recommend his workload be reduced, and further tests are to be
>carried out on him by a cardiologist, the court's spokesman Jim Langdale
>told BBC News Online.
>
>The court will then consider all options open to it before deciding what
>action to take.
>
>One of the three trial judges, Patrick Robinson, urged Mr Milosevic to
>appoint a defence lawyer, saying: "Your health is of paramount concern to
>the chamber."
>
>But Mr Milosevic - who says he does not recognise the tribunal - stuck to
>his earlier refusals to be legally represented, replying: "This entire
>matter is a farce. I have no intention of appointing counsels for a
>non-existent court."
>
>Prosecutors suggested imposing a defence counsel on Mr Milosevic.
>
>One judge has suggested a compromise - that Mr Milosevic may be allowed to
>cross-examine witnesses with his lawyer.
>
>The crucial link
>
>The BBC's Geraldine Coughlan, at The Hague, says there is a strong
>possibility that after the summer recess, Mr Milosevic will no longer be
>wholly responsible for his own defence.
>
>Thursday's hearing gave the prosecution until 13 September to finish its
>case against Mr Milosevic concerning events in Kosovo, and until 16 May
>2003 to finish the cases relating to Bosnia and Croatia.
>
>The tribunal starts a four-week summer recess this weekend.
>
>Mr Markovic, who was brought from a Belgrade jail to testify at the
>tribunal, said the interior ministry had submitted daily secret reports on
>the Kosovo situation to Mr Milosevic and other Serbian Government members.
>
>"Vlajko Stojiljkovic [the former interior minister] was duty-bound to
>inform Slobodan Milosevic daily on the activities of the interior
>ministry," he told the court.
>
>He said Mr Milosevic had also been briefed daily on army activities.
>
>Stojiljkovic committed suicide in Belgrade in April.
>
>Mr Markovic is the first witness to testify that Mr Milosevic had
>effectively been the centre of power in Belgrade - a key point the
>prosecution has to prove for the former leader to be convicted.
>
>Mr Markovic himself is being questioned in Serbia on charges of alleged
>involvement in the assassination of Mr Milosevic's opponents when he was
>head of the Serbian state security service.
>
>+++++
>
>Thursday, 25 July, 2002, 16:48 GMT 17:48 UK
>Milosevic the bon viveur
>
>The news that former Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic is in danger of a
>heart attack comes as no surprise to veteran Balkans watchers.
>
>He may now observe the strict regime of a prison inmate, but when in power
>he was well known as a bon viveur who enjoyed his food and drink.
>
>His principal vices were a weakness for scotch whisky and fine Cuban
>cigars.
>
>He also enjoyed a rich diet of roasted lamb, being especially fond of a
>traditional Yugoslav barbecue.
>
>At Mr Milosevic's Belgrade residence, filled with antique furniture and
>French paintings, he would greet visitors with whisky glass and cigar in
>hand.
>
>Foreign dignitaries and journalists alike were invited to join him in late
>night drinking sessions where he would drink copious amounts of whisky -
>reportedly with little effect - puff away on a Montecristo and indulge in
>telling dirty jokes.
>
>During one mid-morning meeting with US negotiator Richard Holbrooke, Mr
>Milosevic plied the American with brandy whilst hammering out a deal on
>Sarajevo.
>
>When someone later objected that he had got Mr Holbrooke "drunk on plum
>brandy" Mr Milosevic replied: "No, I did not get him drunk on plum brandy.
>I got him drunk on pear brandy."
>
>Mr Milosevic also enjoyed wine, especially Californian varieties.
>
>There are reports that sometimes Mr Milosevic would turn up to important
>negotiations a little the worse for wear.
>
>One former US ambassador to Croatia - Peter Galbraith - remembers the
>first day of the 1995 peace talks in Dayton, Ohio, when Mr Milosevic was
>due to attend a meeting with Warren Christopher, the then US Secretary of
>State, and Croatian President Franjo Tudjman at 1600 (1400 GMT).
>
>He arrived at 1635 looking somewhat ruffled, tie skew-whiff, straight from
>an afternoon at the officers' club.
>
>"He'd obviously had a liquid lunch," Mr Galbraith said in an interview
>with Newsweek.
>
>Even when police surrounded his home in the early hours of 1 April 2001 to
>arrest him, witnesses holed up inside said he lay on a sofa, dosed up on
>whisky and tranquilisers, smoking a cigar and cradling his pistol.
>
>Another constant presence was the roast lamb.
>
>Former US Assistant Deputy Secretary of State Robert Frasure had frequent
>meetings with Mr Milosevic in which he was plied with so much of the stuff
>that he once cabled Washington with the message, "the lambs of Serbia will
>be delighted that I'm leaving!"
>
>The rotund Mr Milosevic is not known for being fond exercise either,
>unlike his late Croatian counterpart who was known for his vicious tennis
>game.
>
>In fact, many observers argue that now he is in prison Mr Milosevic is in
>fact healthier than he has ever been.
>
>He has access to a coffee machine, a library and satellite TV and can go
>to a gym, walk in the courtyard or play board games with his fellow
>inmates.
>
>Nonetheless as his trial goes on, correspondents say it is apparent the
>strain of long hours in court and evenings spent preparing are taking
>their toll on Mr Milosevic, who is defending himself.
>
>But old habits die hard: "He is a politician - he wants to do the
>talking," one of his Belgrade lawyers said.
>
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