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Table of Contents: Re: <nettime> empire pdf (pdf empire) "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com> Re: <nettime> empire pdf (pdf empire) Laurent Oget <loget@zvolve.com> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:23:52 -0400 From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com> Subject: Re: <nettime> empire pdf (pdf empire) At 11:32 AM -0400 on 8/1/01, Laurent Oget wrote: > It is an ENCRYPTED PDF document No, once again, (and in a lower tone of voice :-)), the document in question, a PDF version of "Empire", was just a PDF document. If you have a PDF reader, and, like I said, there are *other* pdf readers out there besides Adobe's, even in open-source form, and free-as-in-beer or free-as-in-speech, I expect, and, if you want, you can read it withh one of those. In fact, someone *here* just converted it to text, right? I'm not a gambling man, bit I would bet, if I were, that *they* converted it without recourse to Adobe software. Again, the current cryptographer-in-jail flap is about the *e-book* software, that Adobe has put out, which is different from PDF. Same thing, but different. Apples and Oranges, or whatever. Hope that helps. Cheers, RAH - -- - ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 01:43:47 -0400 From: Laurent Oget <loget@zvolve.com> Subject: Re: <nettime> empire pdf (pdf empire) On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 11:23:52PM -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: > At 11:32 AM -0400 on 8/1/01, Laurent Oget wrote: > > > > It is an ENCRYPTED PDF document > > > No, once again, (and in a lower tone of voice :-)), the document in > question, a PDF version of "Empire", was just a PDF document. > whose 'file info' is, as the original poster mentioned: Security Method: Acrobat Standard Security User Password: No Master Password: Yes Printing: Not Allowed Content Copying or Extraction: Not Allowed Authoring Comments and Form Fields: Not Allowed Form Field-Fill-in or Signing: Not Allowed Content Accessibility Enabled: Not Allowed Document Assembly: Not Allowed Encryption Level: 40-bit RC4 (Acrobat 3.x, 4.x) > If you have a PDF reader, and, like I said, there are *other* pdf readers > out there besides Adobe's, even in open-source form, and free-as-in-beer or > free-as-in-speech, I expect, and, if you want, you can read it withh one of > those. > > In fact, someone *here* just converted it to text, right? I'm not a > gambling man, bit I would bet, if I were, that *they* converted it without > recourse to Adobe software. > sebastian did. if you read his mail, which mention a decrypted PDF version at http://excsess4all.com, you might suspect that he used the pdf password recovery software from elcomsoft. > > Again, the current cryptographer-in-jail flap is about the *e-book* > software, that Adobe has put out, which is different from PDF. > so you think. adobe did not come up with two different ways to de-free text. > Same thing, but different. Apples and Oranges, or whatever. > be it an apple or an orange that you put in the adobe steel box, you won't be able to eat it. ------------------------------ # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net