<nettime> where did all the (trees|mosquitoes) go? digest [hagenlocher, graham]

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Curt Hagenlocher <curth@motek.com>
     RE: <nettime> digest, riots, inc. [guderian, sykes]
Phil Graham <phil.graham@mailbox.uq.edu.au>
     Subsidising KENDRA OKONSKI

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From: Curt Hagenlocher <curth@motek.com>
Subject: RE: <nettime> digest, riots, inc. [guderian, sykes]
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:36:16 -0700 

> From: Carl Guderian <carlg@vermilion-sands.com>
> 
> ~$200M from the "leftwing establishment" balances billions in 
> corporate advertising and lobbying.

The Wall Street Journal had an editorial on Friday (no doubt "in
honor" of Labor Day) that claimed that so much union money goes
to the Democratic party that it should be renamed as the Labor
Party.  (Never mind the fact that neither the US Democratic Party 
nor the English Labor Party is a particularly effective champion
of labor.)  The WSJ, of course, seems to think that this is
somehow more wrong than the substantially larger sums of money
given by business interests to *both* parties.

But then, the only reason to read the WSJ editorial pages is for
the visceral thrill of having one's blood pressure escalate to
unhealthy levels.

> From: "Pam Sykes" <pam@businessmap.co.za>
> 
> DDT may be bad for you, but malaria is a great deal worse. Even at the
> height of DDT's cavalier over-use as an agricultural chemical by
> developed-world farmers, it never came close to killing a 
> million people a year. Malaria does.

DDT doesn't just kill people, it destroys lifeforms up and down the
entire length of the food chain.  Perhaps it can be argued that it
is more important to humanity to prevent a catastrophic ecological
disaster than it is to save a million lives a year, particularly
when human failings -- greed and more physical forms of violence --
are responsible for so many more deaths.

> Until an equally cheap, effective alternative is found, allowing
> limited use of DDT -- as last year's international treaty on
> persistent organic pollutants does -- is by far the lesser of 
> two evils.

Why would there be real effort to look for cheap, effective 
alternatives when the only people who would benefit have no real
ability to pay for them?

Malaria existed in the United States in the 19th century and is
nearly unknown there now.  What was responsible for this?  I doubt
it was DDT.

--
Curt Hagenlocher
curth@motek.com

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Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 14:03:02 +1000
From: Phil Graham <phil.graham@mailbox.uq.edu.au>
Subject: Subsidising KENDRA OKONSKI

At 01:09 PM 1/09/2001 -0400, david turgeon wrote:
>dear KENDRA OKONSKI,

Turns out that Dear Kendra, champion of all liberties, proponent of DDT, 
anti-environmentalist activist, antagonist of governments everywhere, 
ardent ifeminist, etc ad infinitum, is the daughter of a mid-west US lumber 
industrialist.

In other words, she was (is?) one of the most heavily government-subsidised 
kiddies in the developed world.

No wonder she's cranky at all those nasty protesters eating away at daddy's 
subsidi^H^H^H^H^H income.

regards,
Phil

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