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roya// <roya@girlfish.net> perspectives [ Afghanistan // terrorism.com] Christina Hung <xtinaxtina@earthlink.net> Re: <nettime> Sender: nettime-l-request@bbs.thing.net net_CALLBOY <play@ubermorgen.com> viewpoint::ATTACK_ON_DEMOCRAZY - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 03:08:44 +0100 From: roya// <roya@girlfish.net> Subject: perspectives [ Afghanistan // terrorism.com] 'The chickens have come home to roost'. BURHAN WAZIR ON THE TALIBAN * via http://www.ammocity.com Islamic fundamentalism is best explained by the following deceptively simple anecdote. Back in 1996, as the Taliban gained control of Kabul, finally banishing the Mujahideen government, Burhanuddin Rabbani, to the northern citadel of Faizabad, a group of young Taliban soldiers went down to Kabul Zoo to take an inventory of its inhabitants. The Afghan-Russian war of nearly 20 years had, of course, reduced the previously famed zoo, once a hallmark of south east Asia, to rubble. Its exhibits had either been killed in the wars, or even eaten by Kabul's aid-starved residents. And as the young Talibscrossed a path through the crumbling and long abandoned facility, they took a grim total of the zoo's remaining creatures: a goat, a monkey and one emaciated and sorrowful lion. One young Taliban soldier, originally hailing from the Panjsher valley, stared into the lion enclosure - his face blushed with rage. "This is not a real lion," he pronounced. "The lions of Panjsher valley are ten times fiercer than this beast." And with a cry, he unhooked a grenade from his belt and threw it into the den. He then watched in disbelief as the explosive device rolled away from the King of the Jungle detonating only to leave the beast with slight cosmetic facial injuries. Outraged, the Talib leapt over the fence to wrestle the lion. His death was swift and neat and locals watched horrified as the lion walked back to its cave. So seemed the end of the tale, until the Talib's brother heard of his family's latest loss. The younger brother sped to the zoo and, staring the lion down, announced his revenge: "You have taken my blood. Now I will take yours." And failing to glean any erudition from his brother's example, this young soldier too leapt over the fence and was immediately spoiled. The lion survives to this day. It's perhaps the best example of indefatigable Islamic rage, as told to me earlier this year, when I spent one week among the Taliban in Afghanistan. Having spent the previous week in Faizabad with the near-liberal (by Taliban standards only) opposition forces of the Northern Alliance, I found the young Taliban soldiers unflinching in their interpretation of Islam, and many spoke of wreaking Islamic revenge on America 'the sponsor of terrorism across the Muslim world’. Almost identitkit, as if from the same mould, all dressed in foreboding black shalwaar kameez and equally unfriendly head coverings, the young Talibs had all been instilled with a unique set of religious principals. "We do not expect the West to understand people like us or Osama Bin Laden," said my guide from the Ministry Of Tourism And Cultural Affairs. He continued proudly: "So why should we hand him over? We see him as a kind of saviour. He has done so much to make Islam popular and known throughout the world." Throughout the Middle East, as in Afghanistan, as on the killing fields of Gaza and Jerusalem, Islamic fundamentalism has its roots in the failure of Arab leadership. Young Arabs, disillusioned with a 20 year history of failing peace processes, are to be found denouncing Yasser Arafat just as easily as they condemn the United States. Less we judge events too quickly, let us not forget the huge swathes of American society that also harbour grievances against the state. Last night, close to the site of yesterday's bombings in New York, young African American men in Brooklyn took to the streets and chanted a phrase previously employed by Malcolm X on the assassination of JFK in 1963: 'The chickens have come home to roost'. (Burhan Wazir) -----------------------------------------------------* Thought the following might be also of certain interest to some of you: The who's is who of world terrorism - http://www.terrorism.com/terrorism/Groups2.shtml Guide to international anti-terrorism units - http://www.terrorism.com/terrorism/links.shtml -- (..?) The US Terrorism Research Centre about themselves: 'The TRC maintains a network of terrorism and information warfare specialists drawn from industry, government, and academia in the United States, the United Kingdom, Sweden, Argentina, France, and Australia. By convening an international network of experts in cyberspace, the TRC represents the next generation of collaborative research and analysis sharing. Similarly, the TRC is managed by a Board of Directors who represent the next generation of terrorism andinformation warfare experts. The TRC has produced a number of independent studies, including a comprehensive overview of US policy, strategy, programs, and budget to combat terrorism, produced for a US industry customer.' (well, they certainly tuned themselves into 'this historic moment' ... and some new sponsors from what we use to call wall street would probably come in handy, too. oh dear, when the tuff get going...) -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* take care * OK 21.Century// roya* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:11:40 -0400 Subject: Re: <nettime> Sender: nettime-l-request@bbs.thing.net From: Christina Hung <xtinaxtina@earthlink.net> While I am looking forward to analysis of tuesday's events by the nettime community, I feel it's really too early for this kind of cynicism. Is this truly your intention or am I reading along a line of > traditional human meandering? on 9/12/01 11:21 PM, Alan Sondheim at sondheim@panix.com wrote: > - > > o what we are doing is writing stories. this is what i was doing when it > happened: this is what i felt: this is what i heard > oo this is what i was doing when it happened: this is what i felt: this is > what i heard <...> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:32:03 +0200 From: net_CALLBOY <play@ubermorgen.com> Subject: viewpoint::ATTACK_ON_DEMOCRAZY dearZ due to the impossibility of direct and PURE expression via nettime [i was told by some indivudial named felix, that simple! url postings were not allowed for ppl like me, because they are not being considered as serious discussion contributions], so i feel urged to write down some words in order to be able to communicate with the nettime community. the shock-marketing and MEDIA HACKING aspects of the ATTACK_ON_DEMOCRAZY are my theoretical focus:: http://www.naziline.com/ATTACK_ON_DEMOCRAZY Re: 11 + 9 + 2 + 0 + 0 + 1 = 23 the question of true or false, him or her, CNN or indy- media, bird or cat... can under no circumstances be of value in the aftermath of this world wide media shock and masspsychosis. some media hackers [currently described as terrorists] have intelligently attacked central symbols of the american governement and society with low-tech instruments such as knives, brains, money and flight- education. the media impact, and therefore the global shock, can be understood and interpreted as highly pervert and intelligent act of communication. like traditional artists, "they" have scanned the networks and infrastructures in order to find weakpoints. then they acted accordingly and underwent all forms of repression, observation and financial, logistic and psychologial problems. they hit right on target with precision. now the impact of this subversive act is on the one hand extremly tragic [the human pain and fear is hard to imagine], on the other hand it is a shock wave which will overthrow and break, which will generate immense dynamics in various global and national communities and therefore generates its own reality. the political and military implications can some- how be imagined, the psychological implications are harder to imagine, the artistic implications are felt instantly. although, i have to admit that this action is clearly inbetween traditional forms of hacking [considered illegal under various national laws] and new forms of media hacking [considered legal form of action]. the media action consists of a majority of legal components, the physical action, if it took place the way we imagine and see through televised and networked communication], consists of illegal components: "the legal aspect of media hacking is important to note, as it seperates media hacking from tradtional forms of hacking. media hackers expoit weak spots within social, commercial, political, and technical networks and implement disinformation via these subverted interfaces. media hacking asks for chuzpeh in producers. media hackers cannot be afraid of playing with information and information distribution, but rather have to be able to witfully play with these mechanisms. bad strategies can result in personally catastrophic scenarios, and successful gaming present the winners with the grand prize in the worldwide market for media attention." lizvlx from ubermorgen, c17 [computer chaos club conference, 12/2000, berlin] so, who will take the grand prize of this [media] hack? who will put his brand/logo on top of it? who will be able to negate responsibility due to artistic argumentation of non-liability and freedom of artistic expression? who understands the U.S. constitution and its weakpoints well enough to produce a legal basis for the media hack-components of this action in the future? live and uncensored.. from bronx.sil.at, the nyc-mother of vhost www.naziline.com.. live-capture filtered trough hans_extrem and nikon.. http://www.naziline.com/ATTACK_ON_DEMOCRAZY Re: 11 + 9 + 2 + 0 + 0 + 1 = 23 in the tradition of till eulenspiegel, adolf hitler and etoy... yourZ hans_extrem//lizvlx; -- ____ net_CALLBOY h_e hans_extrem __legal ETOy.HANS ____ fuckmail hans@ubermorgen.com losticq 38302022 ____ pgp0xBA42D1B7 handl HB13447-RIPE 436769300061 ____ h_e@sil.at ; play@ubermorgen.com ; WORDWAR;;; we make money ____ http://www.naziline.com/ATTACK_ON_DEMOCRAZY / ____ http://www.ubermorgen.com/versicherung/ VICT; ____ http://www.ubermorgen.com/WORDWAR revol_1995 ____ http://www.naziline.com THE TRUE STORY ABOUT; ____ http://vote-auction.net [V]ote-auctionhiSTORY its different cause its fundamently different - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net