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"Talan Memmott" <talan {AT} percepticon.com>
     Re: <nettime>The Fading Altruism of Open Source
Harald Hillgaertner <hillgaertner {AT} tfm.uni-frankfurt.de>
     Re: <nettime>The Fading Altruism of Open Source

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From: "Talan Memmott" <talan {AT} percepticon.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime>The Fading Altruism of Open Source
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:51:21 -0800

> The point is not that, say, "Linux" would stand (as "Open Source") against
> "GNU" (as "Free Software"). The term "Open Source" was coined and
> disseminated by Eric S. Raymond very late, in 1998, as a rebranding for
> code that preceded the term for ears or even decades (including GNU,
> Linux, BSD, Apache, Perl, sendmail etc.) and which had simply been called
> Free Software before.

Just thinking about this a bit.....

The Open Source examples, seem almost like 'terra' for the net...  BSD,
Aplache, Perl, sendmail....
Something like 'Open Source' becomes 'Open Space'...
Overgrown from some feudal practice of power... Beyond Governance... Great
Plains...

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From: Harald Hillgaertner <hillgaertner {AT} tfm.uni-frankfurt.de>
Subject: Re: <nettime>The Fading Altruism of Open Source
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:49:16 +0100

Am Donnerstag, 20. Dezember 2001 17:15 schrieb Heiko Recktenwald:
> > This is true, and the fact may be demonstrated by examining the two lists
> > of licenses evaluated by the Open Source Initiative [1] and the Free
> > Software Foundation [2] respectively.  Of the dozens of software licenses
> > that may be
>
> You take this blabla much to serious. "Open Source" for example isnt just
> an idea, a good idea like BSD licences, GNU etc, but first of all it is a
> label. Something for the "No logo" book. This labelism of the different
> initiatives has nothing to do with the central concept. Maybe this is why
> I dont like Linux. So much chaos and desktop cosmetics. I stay with
> FreeBSD. And I like GNU.


... And I do like GNU/Linux, cause it's both Free Software, and I really like 
plurality (or "chaos" in other words). In addition I like "dektop cosmetics" 
and a commando line interface on the same time on the same machine, cause I 
can use both on specific tasks and I like the idea of "non-proprietarization 
of code and knowledge", which is the main difference between Open Source and 
Free Software and which is one of the most valid argument in this debate 
(thanks to Florian Cramer). And this idea of non-proprietarization is the 
lesson, which has to be learned by the proprietarization of Unix in the 80s.


Harald.

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