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"Lorenzo Taiuti" <md3169@mclink.it> Empire "Giuseppe Caravita" <bcaravita@public.iunet.it> Re: <nettime> On Empire Ognjen Strpic <ognjen@mi2.hr> Zagreb interview with Michael Hardt Pit Schultz <pit@klubradio.de> Re: <nettime> The Hacker Class / On Empire - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: "Lorenzo Taiuti" <md3169@mclink.it> Subject: Empire Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:54:52 +0200 I am very surprised by the impact that Negri's "Empire" is having on the net. I know Negri's thought from long ago and i wonder why his ideas get so much attenction now on the Net. "DO WE NEED ANOTHER HERO?" ( Tina Turner'song in "Mad Max under the Thunder Dome" 1989? ) The thought going on the net shoul be clear of "typical thought", refusing the "compact ideas" of the near past and try to shape democratic thought. What's really different from analisys constantly made on "radical" mailing lists and Negri's book? The sheer fact that is been published. And what about the "comunity thinking" that was supposed to make a "rhyzome" system of thinking? We don't Need another Hero. Lorenzo Taiuti - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: "Giuseppe Caravita" <bcaravita@public.iunet.it> Subject: Re: <nettime> On Empire Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:33:15 +0200 Caveat lector. Or, as they say in > today's university vernacular, don't believe the hype. > > Kermit Snelson > One generation of italian leftists (autonomi) educated by this "cattivo maestro" is enough. Take some Rifkin (the Age of Access), some James Boyle (The second enclosure movement and the costruction of the public domain...), some Lessig (the future of ideas....), put all that in the magical words of Seventies radical communist left and You have "Empire" as result. Negri, in reality, is only a poet. But a dangerous one. Because He think of himself as a revolutionary..... ciao Beppe Caravita - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 19:29:47 +0200 From: Ognjen Strpic <ognjen@mi2.hr> Subject: Zagreb interview with Michael Hardt dear nettimers, the transcript of the interview i posted to nettime was made primarily as a source for translation and was a bit too literal and full of typos (as i'm sure you noticed but were too polite to complain). well, i re-read it and the text is now slightly edited, much more legible, and does more justice to Michael Hardt. therefore, if you wish to use it, please use the polished version, named New Forms of Power*, available at http://www.inet.hr/~ostrpic/hardt_interview_en.html *thanks to Jim from slash.autonomedia.org Ognjen Strpic - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 15:20:15 +0200 From: Pit Schultz <pit@klubradio.de> Subject: Re: <nettime> The Hacker Class / On Empire even if i agree in many points with your text on empire, yes, the authors wrote their book under clinton and so the topic of copyright wasn't as hip as it is today, Hardt lately announced that they'll write an update on bioproperty and IP. strange is for my opinion the lack of media analysis, television, radio, print. the berlusconi, murdoch, and now sunken media empire of leo kirch do not find much mentioning, and so doesn't the role of football and its colonial heritage which might be done in the sequels :) instead one has to read about Rome again and again, which reminds us to cultural theories of the 19th century. Why not Napoleon? Or the Commonwealth? and what's up with this 'posse' a reference to north american hiphop culture? the empire leaves many questions open... i think the property relation and its technical realisation in DRM systems and international law would fit pretty well in their analysis, which indeed doesn't center on class structures, which makes sense arguing against a political rethoric dominated by the rule of the all encompassing middle class, as third way clintonian social democracy leaning towards neo-liberalism.. Regarding your concept of the "hacker class", one could see it in tradition of Gramsci's organic intellectual as the hacker is usually employed to work for a "bigger hacker", like Bill Gates, helping to establish standards of consent, extending the hegemony of MS windows (or linux, see below). Also the concept of immaterial labour is more fruitful, as it allows to include the *user*, in his inter-passivity of leaving datatrails and paying with attention, or the social work of taking part in a chat, and all the other liminal actions people take when they are on the net. The fact that Eric Raymond tried to coin the term of the hacker doesn't make it much more credible. Id reads like from a mid 90ies Wired's jargon watch page. [2] Out of the mouth of Richard Stallmann, it gets a bit more to the point of an (ironic) messianic evangelism: "When we have enough free software At our call, hackers, at our call, We'll throw out those dirty licenses Ever more, hackers, ever more. Join us now and share the software; You'll be free, hackers, you'll be free." http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.html maybe i miss it a bit, but when i hear vectorial i can't resist to think "generation flash". Karl and Friedrich wearing a pair of new sneakers, no logo? my main problem with empire is the rethorical figure which ends up with an open question of a needed mode of organisation. it suggests that the multitudes are an interim mode, a mode of becoming wich needs to lead to another stage. again at the horizon the splintergroups of the 70ies appear, the fight over the proper modes of organisation. i think that it must be possible to keep he fluid mode going as long as it is needed, depending of the modes of organisation of the empire itself. at another moment the tactics of 'networks and castles' might apply. the second book, "the empire strikes back" might contain the solution. maybe it's good to take the good parts of the book but not take it too serious when it gets strange and interesting... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.xrefer.com hacker An individual with a good understanding of the structure and operation of computer networks, who deliberately breaks into confidential systems. In many cases there are no malign intentions, although hackers can cause damage by inadvertently introducing viruses or commands that disrupt the proper working of the system. Those with more malign intentions are sometimes known as crackers. [16c: from hack to cut with heavy blows and a jagged effect]. (1) Someone or something that hacks or does things badly; formerly, by extension, someone who mangles words and meanings. (2) [1970s]. An informal term for an obsessive computer programmer who is constantly trying new things (tinkering or hacking), including seeking access to private systems (as an electronic eavesdropper), and planting destructive routines (viruses) in other people's programs. In the 1980s, for this reason, the term developed pejorative connotations. It is, however, used positively in both the title and the text of The New Hacker's Dictionary (ed. Eric S. Raymond: MIT Press, 1991). This work discusses the jargon and slang of computer enthusiasts (which it sometimes refers to as hackish), with entries from abend (an 'abnormal end' in which a software program 'crashes') through kluge up ('to lash together a quick hack to perform a task') to zork mid ('the canonical unit of currency in hacker-written games). [Media, Technology]. T.McA., M.L. 1. A person who is proficient at using or programming a computer; a computer buff. 2. A person who breaks into a computer system to view, alter, or steal restricted data and programs. 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