<nettime> digestia concors [recktenwald | cramer | spornitz]

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Re: <nettime> Discordia Concors: www.jodi.org
     Heiko Recktenwald <uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>
     Florian Cramer <cantsin@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
     Bill Spornitz <spornitz@mts.net>

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:25:32 +0100 (CET)
From: Heiko Recktenwald <uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Discordia Concors: www.jodi.org

> techno-criticism! I mean, why is chance hauled out over and over? Is Cage
> really the alpha and omega of 21st-century art?

Well, as much as I like critic of Cage, the times have changed, much of
his work doesnt work anymore, the society isnt anymore in the 50s, I think
chance is the unpredicted, is life.

And there are incredible beautifull string quartetts from the 40s..

H.

Just to defend http://intra.b.lab.net/cgi-bin/uzs106/test/tata.pl etc.
People ask me, why dont you do this in flash ?...

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:45:27 +0100
From: Florian Cramer <cantsin@zedat.fu-berlin.de>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Discordia Concors: www.jodi.org

Hello Ryan,

you wrote:

> The 'classic' art references here don't seem to jive? I wonder if much of
> the anxiety in the criticism is unresolved fear of _not_ being canonized,
> hence the frequent, forced recourse to Cage, Fluxus, mail art, Arp. It's


I appreciate that you put a radical critique, but nevertheless dare to
disagree. Personally, I can't help but associating the links you
mention; I don't see them as forced at all. And if you read closely,
then you see that I am _not_ trying to say that www.jodi.org is _like_
Cage, Fluxus or Mail Art, but quite on the contrary in which respects it
is _different_.

Bests,
 
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:50:52 -0600
From: Bill Spornitz <spornitz@mts.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Discordia Concors: www.jodi.org

.. or it's: if jodi.org is more a-part of the art... better: 
manufacturing perfect Brittany Spears cd replicas, ( actually iso9660 
images of jodi.org, natch), then leaving them on public transit... 
people will take them home and put them in their cd players ;-> or 
the few un/fortunates that put them in their computers will encounter 
a program which automagically installs jodi.org as your *My 
Documents* tree structure, or adds a desktop shortcut that can't be 
removed <- that's always a good one... <- not that I'm condoning this 
behaviour...


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>The 'classic' art references here don't seem to jive? I wonder if much of
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