Mendi Obadike on Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:37:32 +0100 (CET) |
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<nettime> re: Bennu's piece |
Greetings all. I've never posted here before, but do read from time to time. I appreciate all the discussion on Pierre Bennu's piece. I want to add that it's important to realize that Bennu is not just writing as a former listener of hip-hop or not even just as an artist, as a filmmaker - painter - DJ (all of which he is), but as a black man of that generation which is sometimes called the hip-hop generation. Perhaps because he and Jamyla Bennu are my friends and I have both danced to Pierre's mixes in public and sat on his floor and listening to his albums, I know that, whatever he may feel about "hip-hop" (as a signifier) he is also a lover of hip-hop (as a collection of aesthetic forms). But I think I also know these things because I can read the signs. Sure, you could say "ho hum, your generation is over" or "what is this essay supposed to do but be a minority perspective" if you believe that hip-hop is just some songs some people like and some people don't. But "Fuck Hip-hop" isn't just a way of saying "I don't like the kids' music anymore" or "What happened to the good old days?" I understand it as a way of voicing the frustrations of the many many many living breathing black artist-intellectuals who desire to speak through the forms which, in addition to being in some ways aesthetically attractive to us, define us in the eyes of so many AND of refusing to get caught by a stray bullet. But maybe I am presuming to speak for him, which I probably shouldn't do. Speaking for myself, I know I want control over my own representation. I want hip-hop but I don't want hip-hop. So what, right? But it's not just a question of what I like, it's also what gets associated with me or with my people's music. "The consumption of racialized spectacle," as Coco Fusco wrote, "often functions as a substitute for [interpersonal or inter-group race relations]" and that has real impact on our lives and the reading our or work. It's important to realize that some of us are just listening to the music we like and some of us had better duck when an industry head decides to make an image in the medium because whatever happens in it is read on our bodies and our art. At many turns, I find it hard to (all at once) distance myself from what is hurtful about the way many industry players (of different races, in all positions) are playing (with) hip-hop, love my self fiercely and loudly, make art that is influenced by the other art I find attractive, and allow myself to be represented by forms that, while still moving, are often and perhaps inextricably woven with ideas which are against me. But as a woman I am allowed less authority with which to represent hip-hop and therefore carry less of the burden of the violence and wastefulness which hip-hop has come to represent in the media. I haven't always needed to articulate my distance from hip-hop in the way Bennu and other black men in my generation do because not all of what is thrust upon them is thrust upon me. I'll end by saying that I read the statement as a claim to power, a rejection of what hates us, and an affirmation of Bennu's selfhood. But saying "Fuck Hip-Hop" is not a dismissal of the music, it is the impassioned goodbye of one who, loving the sinking ship, nevertheless chooses to swim. Peace, Mendi nettime-l-digest <owner-nettime-l-digest@bbs.thing.net> wrote: However I still think Bennu's piece did not display contemporary familiarity with the field he was talking about, and this limits its uses for critique. (I'm not saying he doesn't have that familiarity, but it's not much in evidence in the article). I'm really not sure how Bennu's article is supposed to do anything other than reflect a certain feeling that a well-defined minority of hip-hop listeners will hold. (I guess that makes it hip-hop in the sense that I can see all that groups heads nodding - "yeah, damn right!" :). But I don't think it's going to change the minds of anyone. As much for methodology as content, I'd prefer someone like Oliver Wang's take. He supports true hip-hop as critically as any other journalist out there (even venturing into areas like Spin to do it), rather than running it down. check it out y'all if yr interested... (his mixtapes are also sweet) . . . Carl Guderian <carlg@vermilion-sands.com> If Bennu's had it with hip-hop, then good. The sooner intellectuals write off hip-hop, the better. Then it can be itself, for better or worse. Carl (occasionally DJ REX84) # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net