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"Ivan Pope" <ivan@ivanpope.com> Re: RHIZOME_RAW: <nettime> rhizome or <rhizome> nettime or... Mark Tribe <mt@rhizome.org> Re: RHIZOME_RAW: <nettime> rhizome or <rhizome> nettime or... Mark Tribe <mt@rhizome.org> Re: FW: <nettime> r h i z o m e digest <...> Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de> Fwd: Re: rooting Rhizome - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: "Ivan Pope" <ivan@ivanpope.com> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: <nettime> rhizome or <rhizome> nettime or... Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:10:32 -0000 from: Are Flagan <areflagan@artpanorama.com> > PS: Did anyone even bother to mention that it's all free on Fridays? See > you at happy hour. Maybe someone could explain what it all means. What is free on Fridays? Access to Rhizome.org? Ability to mail to the list? Ability to submit to the archive? Somethings else? Some of the above? None of the above? Does this mean we will get a flood of emails on Friday? And, how many members does the Rhizome list now have? Cheers, Ivan - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:02:54 -0500 From: Mark Tribe <mt@rhizome.org> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: <nettime> rhizome or <rhizome> nettime or... At 01:10 PM 1/23/2003 +0000, Ivan Pope wrote: >From: Are Flagan <areflagan@artpanorama.com> > > > PS: Did anyone even bother to mention that it's all free on Fridays? See > > you at happy hour. > >Maybe someone could explain what it all means. What is free on Fridays? >Access to Rhizome.org? Ability to mail to the list? Ability to submit to the >archive? Somethings else? Some of the above? None of the above? free fridays means free access to the site, but not the ability to post or to subscribe to the email lists. >Does this mean we will get a flood of emails on Friday? no flood. >Ivan <..i.> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:34:46 -0500 From: Mark Tribe <mt@rhizome.org> Subject: Re: FW: <nettime> r h i z o m e digest <...> On January 22, Amy Alexander Wrote: >Before Rhizome went subscription-only, people could stumble upon its texts >by looking up topics in a search engine. This was useful not only for new >media people, but also for members of the general public - it was possible >for people to discover the new media art community and its texts without >being aware of them beforehand. > >But now, the texts and projects that have been contributed to Rhizome over >the years have disappeared from Google (and I presume this applies to all >engines' listings). So a huge chunk of new media culture has disappeared >from public view and public access. As a result, new media art culture >becomes largely a closed circuit, able to be traveled only by those >already within it. Yeah, this is a problem. >Perhaps this points to the problem of centralization more than anything >else, but I thought it was worth contemplating, and asking - how can this >be remedied? We hope to remedy this, so texts and art on Rhizome come up in Google searches, etc., but it's tricky. In the meantime, we do allow (and encourage) people to link directly to texts and art in the Rhizome archives without being members. So if you have a link on your site to a work in the ArtBase, people can follow the link without having to sign up. From there, they have to sign up as members to navigate further within Rhizome. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:09:06 +0100 From: Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de> Subject: Fwd: Re: rooting Rhizome At 11:34 AM 1/23/2003 +0100, Andreas Broeckmann wrote: dear mark, just a word of support - you know i have had my criticism of rhizome, but i really don't think that the bashing you and the project are getting on nettime is fair. i don't know what to say publically, because i have not been a subscriber for a while and have rarely used the artbase, so i feel a bit distant, also because i cannot estimate the value that the project actually has for people. i think that the attempt at building a light institution that serves the art community is worthwhile, and that in a way you may even have known that this wave of criticism would happen around this time. i would really hope that there are enough people who can help you support rhizome and keep it going as what it is - an important channel and resource for the media art community. the fee is a real problem. believe it or not, but like many people outside the US i have no credit card (the only time i had one was when they were free in the UK, during the hot-air-thatcher boom of the late 80s) and am still very much part of the 'cash economy', so a small payment of 5 usd is a hassle. as you know, for many people in poorer parts of the world it is prohibitive. but maybe you thought about that and have mechanisms in place to alleviate that. anyway, if you feel that i should say something along these lines on nettime, i'd happily do that. otherwise, 'halt die Ohren steif', and keep up the spirit! best regards, -a date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:26:03 -0500 to: Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de> from: Mark Tribe <mt@rhizome.org> subject: Re: rooting dear andreas: thanks very much for your kind words. any public support you can provide would be greatly appreciated. i did expect loud criticism of our new policy, and in discussions with the rhizome board i initially advocated against requiring members to make a contribution. it doesn't surprise me that many in the net art scene object to our new policy on principle. but as i thought about it more, i became convinced that rhizome could not survive in its current form without substantial financial support from its community. the alternative would have been to go into some form of hibernation--shut down all but the most efficent online programs, lay off the staff, close the office. hibernation remains an option if this new policy fails. or somebody else will create something new to take rhizome's place. but despite the criticism i think it is going to work. by keeping the fee low, offering a free 30 day introductory grace period and making access to the site free on fridays, we hope to remain relatively inclusive while establishing a financial basis for sustainability. i do realize that even $5 per year is prohibitively expensive for some, such as people who live in countries like argentina where the currency is very weak against the dollar, and even for some artists and students in places like london and berlin. we are planning to ask universities, art schools and arts organizations to sign up as institutional members so their students, faculty and staff can gain free access as well. we've already had substantial interest in this, but need to do some further work to make this function on a technological level. the hassle and difficulty of making a contribution are clearly also a major barrier. as a point of clarification, you don't need a credit card to make a gift. you can sign up for a paypal account without a credit card. or you can post a money order or even a five dollar bill. we also hope to set up an account at a german or other european bank to facilitate transfer payments, but haven't had time to look into it yet. thanks again for your sympathies. please feel free to quote any of the above. best, mark - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net