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Re: <nettime> The Scuds
     "Brandon D. Valentine" <brandon {AT} dvalentine.com>
Re: <nettime> Iraq war debacle coming
     "Brandon D. Valentine" <brandon {AT} dvalentine.com>
Re: The Scuds
     Monty Cantsin <xmontyxcantsinx {AT} yahoo.com.br>

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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:56:08 -0600
From: "Brandon D. Valentine" <brandon {AT} dvalentine.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> The Scuds

On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 12:44:19PM +0100, David Garcia wrote:

> Propaganda we are experiencing is mostly embedded in the language and
> most of it pretty crude, allied forces are not invaders but
 <...>

I would assume that most any person analytically thinking enough to
question the news is already painfully aware of the sensational nature
of war coverage.  The only thing the networks see through the fog of war
is ratings potential.  Most of us realize that any attempt to hold
journalistic veracity in reporting the war in anything other than
skepticism is foolish and we have proceeded to analyze news under that
pretext.  Even if the news bureaus' were to issue a retraction or
correction after fact-checking this matter it would be wasted words or
airtime.  Once it's news, it's news.  The people know no different.

Brandon D. Valentine
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brandon {AT} dvalentine.com                                 http://www.geekpunk.net
Pseudo-Random Googlism:  valentine is leaving for the city of milan to see
                         what the world has to offer

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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:58:14 -0600
From: "Brandon D. Valentine" <brandon {AT} dvalentine.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Iraq war debacle coming

On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 01:08:12AM -0800, Michael H Goldhaber wrote:

> So it is clear there will be a bitterly prolonged guerilla campaign
> against US occupiers, a largely urban struggle at that. It is evident
> by now that with all its high-tech weaponry, the US military still has
> no special, clever means of winning such a conflict.

On the contrary, the only thing that is clear at this point is that you
are yet another bearer of premature, unfounded speculation.  Do you by
chance work for CNN?  You would be wise to postpone your rhetoric until
American and British soldiers have actually set foot in Baghdad.

If you entertain notions that sending an email message to the nettime-l
list will in some way incite a movement to succesfully avert your
imagined "quagmire" you're a damn fool.  If the millions of fools
already flooding the streets haven't been able to stop the "juggernaut"
of American liberation then your call for a ceasefire sounds a lot like
you pissing in the wind.

Your time would be better spent preparing to actually help the people of
Iraq.  There are 22 million of them and they're about to be in need of a
lion's share of humanitarian relief.  It's a harsh truth, but your words
are unlikely to help a one of them.  Your actions would speak much
louder.

My suggestion: Donate blood, not rhetoric.

Brandon D. Valentine
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brandon {AT} dvalentine.com                                 http://www.geekpunk.net
Pseudo-Random Googlism:  nashville is the recognized leader of programs

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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:50:22 -0300 (ART)
From: Monty  Cantsin <xmontyxcantsinx {AT} yahoo.com.br>
Subject: Re: The Scuds

As Roland Barthes once stated, "language is fascist". Indeed, it is a source 
of
power for the doxa...

date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:44:19 +0100
from: "David Garcia" 
subject: The Scuds

Propaganda we are experiencing is mostly embedded in the language and
most of it pretty crude, allied forces are not invaders but
 <...>

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