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Re: <nettime> America and it's discontents
     "E. Miller" <subscriptionbox {AT} squishymedia.com>
     Ryan Griffis <grifray {AT} yahoo.com>

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:26:48 -0800
Subject: Re: <nettime> America and it's discontents
From: "E. Miller" <subscriptionbox {AT} squishymedia.com>

Just to clarify: the first quote is a Samuel Huntington quote.  The second
quote is from a Sierra Club member.  The second quote should not be
construed as a continuation of the first quote, gender-specific pronoun
aside.

People may or may not agree with Huntington's 'clash of civilizations'
thesis but he has raised very challenging questions about ideological
conflict;  we'd do well to consider his points and not to demonize him by
association.

Eric


On 3/16/04 3:37 PM, "Ryan Griffis" <grifray {AT} yahoo.com> wrote:

> "The single most immediate and most serious challenge
> to America's traditional identity," Huntington writes,
> "comes from the immense and
> continuing immigration from Latin America, especially
> Mexico, and the fertility rates of these immigrants."
> http://www.hispanicvista.com/html4/031404bc.htm
> 
> 'In a column about Hmong immigrants on that site, she
> wrote, "So will thousands of drug-addicted polygamists
> be welcomed into America in another escalation of
> multiculturalism against American values?"'
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/16/national/16SIER.html
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:15:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan Griffis <grifray {AT} yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> America and it's discontents

> Just to clarify: the first quote is a Samuel
> Huntington quote.  The second
> quote is from a Sierra Club member.

hence the linked URLs to the full stories... i don't
think any of us are that slow.
 
> we'd do well to consider his points and
> not to demonize him by
> association.

association with what? his own statements? the point's
not in criticizing (i'd never go with 'demonizing'
anything) the messenger, just the message. 
the association was meant to connect certain
foundational ideas/arguments, not people/groups. And
sure, we should consider his points, as his assessment
of THE american cultural-political 'problem' is most
certianly an active political vision that has
repurcussions for policy and certain populations in
the US.
best,
ryan

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