Louise Desrenards on Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:39:44 +0100 (CET) |
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Re: Re[2]: <nettime> Marion von Osten: email interview with Brian Holmes |
The question is on the productive forces and among these the exploitation of the working force as the source of the surplus in the Marxist theory; in fact, certain theorists do not admit that there is not the source of priority profit today because to admit it asks another question: that of the disappearance of Proletariat as revolutionary class. Now we always look for a social category which could substitute itself for it - for example in the service or the education - Everything depends on the economic analysis which stays behind. At present there are the precarious and the occasional working, because it seems whether the ideal condition of the profit connected to the exploitation of labour in the neo-liberal frame... Or the only question that we could ask for, from my little part to tell it could be : And if it was not more the economy which presided over the revolutionary question today but many other things - so so much is, furthermore, that by revolution we can suddenly hear(understand) the other thing(matter) than the grip of the power by a revolutionary class and the question of the intermediate dictatorship - that of the aforementioned revolutionary class? Et cetera... In fact both time, on the other hand, the question would be also: what goes away of utopia today, after all the dictatorships of Modernity, including that one "of Proletariat" after all, when everything appears rather under the day of atopia and of meta-politics? Let us wait for the discovery of "Multitude" (without "s") Toni Negri's new book, to see how he(it) résoud the disappearance of the "s" ( the " masses " ) after "Empire" and if it will not deprive of us our autonomy to think, at least it we éclairera-t ' he(it) this way... L.D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matze Schmidt" <matze.schmidt@n0name.de> To: "Nettime-l" <nettime-l@bbs.thing.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:29 PM Subject: Re[2]: <nettime> Marion von Osten: email interview with Brian Holmes > Monday, March 22, 2004, 11:32:56 PM, i wrote: > > to pay more to the worker would increase profit. > > should go this: > to pay more to the worker would not increase profit. <...> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net