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   Re: <nettime> Peter Lamborn Wilson, in all his splendid rurality                
     ryan.whyte {AT} utoronto.ca                                                          

   re: <nettime> Peter Lamborn Wilson, in all his splendid rurality                
     "Pieter" <smallaxe {AT} xs4all.nl>                                                   



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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:10:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: ryan.whyte {AT} utoronto.ca
Subject: Re: <nettime> Peter Lamborn Wilson, in all his splendid rurality

I agree with this. But what do you mean by 'social technology'? The term
could equally be used by the Wired crowd to describe the internet.

Rather than prosthesis a TAZ might be a shared mindset, shared energy
always within a certain set of socio-economic structures. Perhaps going
back to the old 'social fact' a la Durkheim would be helpful here. In
other words, social structures are not technology, though technology
happens through them, and vice versa.

Ryan

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Carl Guderian wrote:

> I don't entirely agree. The complaints are legitimate,
> and a needed reminder; the TAZ is a social technology
> (prosthesis?), and like any technology it isn't an
> automatic good, let alone the Revolution. 
> 
> He's right about the Amish and post-Anabaptists. If
> they can collectively assimilate a technology, they
> let it in--sometimes under quarantine--it's not all
> horses and rakes, as most people think. WIRED did a
> piece on this a year or two ago. Telephones, and even
> cell phones are allowed but kept in outbuildings. 
> 
> That's a great policy. Not every technology is needed
> to keep the earth able to carry 6.5 billion
> people(going on 15 billion). Individually, how many
> hours did you work to buy that iPOD? In the end,
> Wilson and Sterling agree. You should have some idea
> of the life story of everything you buy. Where did it
> come from? Where will it end up? Not just how much it
> costs me, but how much it costs everybody else. Bruce
> just covers the environmental end of those questions.
> 
> Is a blobby, spinach-powered sports car so great if it
> costs you longer hours at your crappy job, or some
> Chinese woman has to assemble it in a cloud of
> pancreas-scraping gas just so you (not her) can afford
> it?
> 
> Does a week at Burning Man justify 51 weeks working
> for the Multinational Man?
> 
> The Empire never died and those questions never went
> away.
> 
> Carl
> 
> on the 38th of Cunegonde (after they changed the
> clocks)
> 
> --- Bruce Sterling <bruces {AT} well.com> wrote:
> 
> > *I wondered what Peter had been up to, lately.
> > Now, I know.  My, is he grumpy.
> > 
> > bruces
> > http://blog.wired.com/sterling/
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Title: Jennifer Bleyer. In conversation with Peter
> > Lamborn
> > Wilson
> > Date: Tuesday July 27 2004,  {AT} 12:37PM
> > Author:	nolympics
> > Topic:Rants
> > from the chicken-and-egg dept.
>  <...>
> 
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:19:03 +0200
From: "Pieter" <smallaxe {AT} xs4all.nl>
Subject: re: <nettime> Peter Lamborn Wilson, in all his splendid rurality 

Bruce Sterling <bruces AT well.com> wrote:

>*I wondered what Peter had been up to, lately.
>Now, I know.  My, is he grumpy.

>bruces
>http://blog.wired.com/sterling/

Thanks Bruce, the piece was also posted at
http://info.interactivist.net/article.pl?sid=04/07/27/2039205&mode=nested&tid=16 .

Re: PLW's grumpiness, it's something that strikes the reader immediately
in this piece of course and something he generally has a reputation for,
it certainly struck me. I've had the pleasure of translating some of his
work and interviewing him on two occasions, both of which were cordial
and informative enough. Makes you wonder if the setting and approach
don't make a difference. Mind you I'm not saying that as an uneducated
guy in the field I'm a better interviewer than Jennifer Bleyer whom I
don't know anything about other than this piece, it's just funny how
many people seem to find PLW unbelievably rude to deal with in general,
something that has never struck me about him.

Umm well does this matter to the whole list? Whatever, I couldn't resist
the impulse. I'm looking forward to his next collection of essays if
appear this fall it does indeed.

Cheers,

P.


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