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<nettime> FW: Re: what is going on, on nettime? |
[also To: "wryting" <wryting-l@listserv.utoronto.ca>, "rhizome" <list@rhizome.org>, "webartery" <webartery@yahoogroups.com>] Also see: Josephine Bosma, "Text for Moscow: Between moderation and extremes. The tensions between net art theory and popular art discourse," Switch v6 n1 [art journal of the CADRE Laboratory for New Media of the School of Art and Design at San Jose University] Date of on line publication not available. 9 April 2001 <http://switch.sjsu.edu/web/v6n1/article_b.htm> -----Original Message----- From: WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines [mailto:WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA]On Behalf Of Vincent Fourier Sent: domingo, 15 de agosto de 2004 11:10 To: WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA Subject: Re: what is going on, on nettime? Hi, this is Vincent Fourier speaking, and this is a response to Alan Sondheim's post -- in Vincent Fourier's typical style. Supportively, Vincent -- [from "vincent fourier's metapolitical meditations; beyond good and evil"] _net.tribes_, 2002 http://www.geocities.com/supermiembro/vincent_fourier/net.tribes.html As known, the Internet is just a microcosm of what we find in the off-line world. The elitist, exclusive and restrictive practices of joining socio-cultural tribes is just as strong on the Web as it is in Real Life. Some Web art mailing lists want to know what is my involvement with the art of the Web. Art History lists need to know my academic affiliation and geographical location, because they like to keep everything taxonomically organized and tidy. Women's issues lists request that one defines whether one is a feminist, postfeminist, cyberfeminist, third wave feminist, a cybergrrl, a woman, one's sexual orientation, and other important details. Other lists feel it is their mission to eradicate the anonymity practices inherent in the Web and have asked me for my real name and a short bio to post on their lists. One of the most bizarre mailing lists I am subscribed to, and whose name I seem to have forgotten, constitutes the paradigm of absurdity in their subscriber's search for a sense of community. Although there are no restrictions, or questionnaires to join this list, all sorts of tribulations portray that space as "un folladero de pavos" -- very coarse peninsular Spanish expression to refer to a place where turkeys congregate to engage in copulation. Springing from their matrix mailing list -– whose name I do not seem to recall either -– its latino subscribers share an interest for net.politics, net.culture and net.art, and propose functioning within a less Anglophone Internet. After going through a moderation discontent debate in the Spring of 2002, very similar to the one that took place in the 'mother' list some years ago, sometime in May 2002 a call for entries from Barcelona institutions was sent to the list, and it was not well received by a couple of subscribers. This "convocatoria" was restricted to peninsular Spaniards and European Community citizens. And the absurdity of language and culture uniting people in a incongruent mailing list seemed more evident than ever before. Numerous Spanish speakers on that list are from Latin America, or Hispanics living in North America. To top it off there are Portuguese speakers too (from Portugal and its former colonies). If the Internet and the art circles were not complicated enough, the paradoxical love-hate relationship between Latin American and Iberian Spaniards, and the nightmares of cultural neo imperialism-colonialism (either coming from the U.S. or from Spain) keep adding conflicts to the Internet arts community of Spanish speakers. When that "convocatoria" from Barcelona was distributed through the list, a subscriber complained about the fact that language does not unify us at all, that we belong to that list as a contestation for this our so Anglophone Internet. His sentiments were seconded by another subscriber as many others might have agreed in silence -– in their awareness that the complaints were not so much directed to the requirements of that call for entries _per se_, but rather to the almost non-existence of opportunities for digital artists in the South Cone of the globe populated by Spanish & Portuguese speakers . . . sadly enough. I guess the Catalan question was also at stake, but I would not want to start talking about that now. One is not sure whether to resort to the phenomenology of perception in Virtual Reality environments, to Latin American Magical Realism, to the paranoic-critical method of Dalí or to Jamesionian analysis of Third World countries cultural status to understand why that zoo-grouping of people (including myself) in that latino list came to exist. One also wonders why the 'latino' label has been chosen to title this list. Are we using the 'word' to lesser its somehow pejorative overtones? Are we going through a 'latino power' hip hop reivindicating _Risorgimento_? The population in this e-space is composed by digital artisans, postmodern philosophers and politically committed altruist heroes. If we are latinos, what are the Francophones? Where are the Italians? If we are a Romance languages mailing list, why aren't the Romanians with us? Where do the Hispanics living in the U.S. and Canada fit in, in a list where peninsular Spaniards are also considered cultural imperialists? Perhaps it is time to found more lists. I propose a European PIGS list for net.workers. We know that for the Northern members of the European Community the PIGS are: Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain, and that perhaps would be a good alternative for another interesting discussion platform when it is net time. http://www.geocities.com/supermiembro/vincent_fourier/net.tribes.html Post Scriptum, August 2004: the aforementioned 'latino' e-space entered its comma-limbo phase in May 2004 -- > -----Original Message----- > From: WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines > [mailto:WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA]On Behalf Of Alan Sondheim > Sent: domingo, 15 de agosto de 2004 3:20 > To: WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA > Subject: what is going on, on nettime? > > > nettime-l seems increasingly closed off; numerous voices aren't heard any > more, for example nn, mez, Talan - I wrote them asking why the list is > turning from cultural politics to more or less straight political economy, > which can be found anywhere - the post was censored. Florian Cramer just > stopped the Unstable Digest - there's no more codework there at all - he > left his co-editors more or less in the lurch, not answering email, then > disappearing, now back on nettime with politics. So that venue's gone and > apparently at this point one can't even question the list direction > onlist. > > I certainly can understand nettime not posting me for any number of > reasons - but the discourse is far more uniform now than ever. And since > there's no discussion on nettime about this, as far as I can tell, I > thought I'd open this up on other lists - (mez by the way suggested I do > so). > > Any thoughts? > > - Alan, watching the net narrow a bit > > recent http://www.asondheim.org/ > http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko > WVU 2004 projects http://www.as.wvu.edu/clcold/sondheim/files/ > Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm > partial mirror at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca __________ NOD32 1.842 (20040813) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net