Alan Sondheim on Sat, 19 Feb 2005 04:36:20 +0100 (CET) |
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Whew... I find any limitation of art re: definition problematic to say the least. The same with kitsch; there is a real class consciousness here that makes me uncomfortable. Look at Bourdieu's Distinction. It's art, period. It may not be art you like and it may be in fact art that you or I would find reprehensible or terrific or racist or sexist or whatever - but it's art. The ideological embedding is another thing altogether, and even there we've got to be careful. I personally like the idea of an autonomous soft- ware artist and I hardly expect early attempts to be transformative. Yes, it did look like men's magazines - but not really, more like Psychology Today years ago, whatever, soft-core illustration, but that's hardly the only point here. The art equally (god, I'm quantifying here) lies in the technology, in the modes of distribution, a whole lot of things. And by the way, shells in boxes, potpourri, whatever, can be as much art as anything else. This is really dismissive and uncalled-for. If you're going to be politically correct, you should certainly accept and try to understand class distinctions and the different meanings of art that emerge among different groups, crafts, artisans, artifacts. - Alan nettext http://biblioteknett.no/alias/HJEMMESIDE/bjornmag/nettext/ http://www.asondheim.org/ WVU 2004 projects: http://www.as.wvu.edu/clcold/sondheim/ http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net