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Table of Contents: Re: <nettime> Frank Rieger: We lost the War--Welcome to the World of Tomorrow Prem Chandavarkar <prem@cnt-semac.com> Re: <nettime> Frank Rieger: We lost the War--Welcome to the World of Tomorrow Benjamin Geer <benjamin.geer@gmail.com> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:45:43 +0530 From: Prem Chandavarkar <prem@cnt-semac.com> Subject: Re: <nettime> Frank Rieger: We lost the War--Welcome to the World of Tomorrow Benjamin Geer wrote: > On 10/01/06, Prem Chandavarkar <prem@cnt-semac.com> wrote: > >>So you have 15% of the electorate on one side, and 4% on the other. The >>11% differential is enough to swing any election and all the politicians >>know it. Therefore, democracy is not about majorities and minorities. >>It is determined by how the debate coalesces around single cause issues. > > > A referendum would deal with that problem nicely. If your analysis is > correct, it seems that all you need is a system that makes it easy for > people to bring about referendums. The Swiss have such a system, if > I'm not mistaken. > > A referendum helps to resolve impasses reached when you have polarised opinions on critical single cause issues. It cannot be a substitute for the day to day negotiations of representative politics. PC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:40:02 +0200 From: Benjamin Geer <benjamin.geer@gmail.com> Subject: Re: <nettime> Frank Rieger: We lost the War--Welcome to the World of Tomorrow On 11/01/06, Prem Chandavarkar <prem@cnt-semac.com> wrote: > A referendum helps to resolve impasses reached when you have polarised > opinions on critical single cause issues. It cannot be a substitute for > the day to day negotiations of representative politics. True. On the other hand, elected representatives may well be less likely to pass unpopular laws, and more likely to take the views of the majority into account when carrying on those day-to-day negotiations, if they know that citizens can easily arrange a referendum on any issue in order to reverse their decisions. The existence of an easy referendum mechanism, even if it is rarely used, may thus make politicians more sensitive to public opinion. On the other hand, referendums are no help at all if a minority has a serious problem that the majority doesn't care about or understand. This is a common enough problem, and calls into question the very principle of voting. I think a fairer principle would be to try to allocate influence on an issue-by-issue basis according to how seriously a particular issue affects each person[1]. Even a very rough approximation of this principle can be rather effective. For example, in Porto Alegre's participatory budget[2], the funds allocated to neighbourhood projects by popular deliberation are automatically adjusted according to a separate evaluation of each neighbourhood's needs in terms of infrastructure and so on. The result is that the poorest neighbourhoods consistently get the most attention; in effect, their influence in the decision-making process is magnified, and there is evidence that this has helped reduce inequalities. Ben [1] http://political-explorations.info/ethics-soc-trans_en.html [2] http://www.ideassonline.org/bros_view_eng.asp?id=3D27 # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net