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<nettime> oh warriors, come out and play digest [5: schmidt, schebella, tvv, schmidt, riemens]


Re: <nettime> Locative Games: Police use GPS coordinates as Evidence
     Matze Schmidt <matze.schmidt {AT} n0name.de>
     marius schebella <marius.schebella {AT} gmail.com>
     "> ! <" <gonzo {AT} quadrantcrossing.org>
     Matze Schmidt <matze.schmidt {AT} n0name.de>
     Patrice Riemens <patrice {AT} xs4all.nl>

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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:05:27 +0200
From: Matze Schmidt <matze.schmidt {AT} n0name.de>
Subject: Re[2]: <nettime> Locative Games: Police use GPS coordinates as Evidence

hello,

> Soon enough GPS-enabled devices will be mandatory.
> What capitalism failed to accomplish in Europe, the terrorism mania
> will. Unless someone cares enough to say "enough!"

i would not define the polices hunting of people as 'terrorism mania'
since this is an pathological analysis which claims that the illness
comes from somewhere inside a subject. but if ones takes this analysis
the sick subject would be the state, and every state is sick actually.
instead of this i'd propose to call the surveillance 'mania' esp. in
germany the *fear of the state as the agent of the capital*. this fear
is the fear of real revolts of lower classes. the german profitrate is
going down down down and they shiver with fear.
clearly the surveillance 'mania' is no mania but a (THE) reaction and is
part of the greater proceedings: the militarization of the country. one
sight at the tv-program shows this to you every day, the chines olympic
games where a demonstration of the power of german soldier athletes (30%
of the athletes in this country are payed by the army).
it's lucid that this state is preparing war(s) as the leading force in
the eu - against the us or with russia ... anyway.

m

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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:25:51 -0400
From: marius schebella <marius.schebella {AT} gmail.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Locative Games: Police use GPS coordinates as Evidence

Patrice Riemens wrote:

> Next stage: total fiscalisation! The problem with criminal law 
> is evidence. Just do away with it! 

another example for that is the war against terrorism, a modern form of 
whitch-tracing.
marius.

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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 07:47:18 -0700
Subject: Re: <nettime> Locative Games: Police use GPS coordinates as
From: "> ! <" <gonzo {AT} quadrantcrossing.org>

> Oh yeah, it's actually too late to say 'Enough!'. The damage has been done
> already. The North west Passage is open, and ripe for business!

& Canada is currently arming itself to defend melting sea ice as water
becomes its most precious commodity and access to potential new oil its
future:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilitary/arctic.html

    http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/PRBpubs/prb0561-e.htm

 http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050725/denmark_protes
t_greenland_050725?s_name=&no_ads=

// time to sell off the sustenance for the eco-system:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/water/

..don't worry, Canadian troops will piss on you when we run out of something
to drink.

<!>

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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:16:29 +0200
From: Matze Schmidt <matze.schmidt {AT} n0name.de>
Subject: Re[2]: <nettime> Locative Games: Police use GPS coordinates as Evidence

hello,

> As Jean Baudrillard writes in response to student
> strikes in France of May 1968:

> The real revolutionary media were the walls and their speech, the silk- 
> screen posters and the handpainted notices, the street where speech  
> began and was exchanged - everything that was an immediate  
> inscription, given and turned, spoken and answered, mobile in the same  
> space and time, reciprocal and antagonistic. The street is, in this  
> sense, the alternative and subversive form of the mass media, since it  
> isnít, like the latter, an objectified support for answerless  
> messages, a transmission system at a distance. It is the frayed space  
> of the symbolic exchange of speech - ephemeral, mortal.

> In a networked age, different communities across the globe have very  
> different access to technology, but mobile phones have become widely  
> available across all social classes. By perceiving a network as  
> something that is inherently a combination of physical, social, and  
> technological components, the project hopes to bring these elements  
> together under a paradigm that honors the type of vibrant exchange  
> Baudrillard found so inspiring.

well, if find this social-techno-perspective not alone old-fashioned, i
find it naive as well as baudrillard was naive in a way. if you'd ever
seen his photographies you can imagine why: he was making very simple
hobbyistic pictures (i liked them, cause everybody did this): himself in
front of a mirror flashing etc. one could regard this as a reflection on
the post-age of the counterpublic-movement as everything dies in
baudrillard's world.

instead he was (as an apocalyptic theorist killing marx) stating exactly
the contrary to this new new real revolutionary media namely that the
subversive form of the mass media is done forever. but the s.i. was
aware of this before, that all the subversive forms are to be
incorporated into the official form of mass media (see cultural studies,
dick hebdige and so on as well) - like the m.i.t. in cambridge/usa does.
the s.i. had a concept of classes, baudrillard not.

so the point is not to indicate another media revol from below but to
change the stress from media to society 'itself' which is (what is to be
discussed) - with and against e.g. luhmann - never the media, as the map
is never the territory.

in fact many of the media theories come and came from the discussions
about economcial drives for society and their protagonists particularly
made a comparable career to left green party members: from the critique
of the state and society to a reduced model of it all called ecology
(form the critique of political economics to bionomics). baudrillard is
one let's say 'archetype' of this change (call it catastrophe) when he
claims graffitty in the 1970s as symbolic rebellion. this is a turn (the
linguistic catastrophe) from all societies matters to the world of the
symbols as the driving force alone. so what is left of this paradigm
mentioned above?

m

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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:51:12 +0200
From: Patrice Riemens <patrice {AT} xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re[2]: <nettime> Locative Games: Police use GPS coordinates as Evidence

On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 07:43:25AM +0200, Matze Schmidt wrote:

> -----------------Original message text-----------------
> 
> hello,
> 
> > Soon enough GPS-enabled devices will be mandatory.
> > What capitalism failed to accomplish in Europe, the terrorism mania
> > will. Unless someone cares enough to say "enough!"
> 
> i would not define the polices hunting of people as 'terrorism mania'
 <...>

And then I thought _I_ was raving mad. Well, there is room for 
improvement, apparently.
;-)
p+2D!

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