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Alan Sondheim <sondheim {AT} panix.com>

     From the East of Odyssey Performance: Text, Video, Stills 8.14.10 
     maxims, laws of form
     The Sparse Dance at Humlab 
     Whose Bodies
     The Roma: Europe's favorite Scapegoat 
     three more from the concentration camp cafe 
     concentration-camp cafe 
     humans protecting us 
     STOP FORCED EVICTIONS OF ROMA IN EUROPE! (fwd)
     Social Media Poetics: Why Talk, Sondheim Sondheim 
     Thinking About Retiring 

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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:34:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim {AT} panix.com>
Subject: From the East of Odyssey Performance: Text, Video, Stills 8.14.10 

>From the East of Odyssey Performance: Text, Video, Stills 8.14.10

(apologies for cross-posting and file sizes, odyperform up for a short 
time only, because of space constraints)

http://www.alansondheim.org/odyperform.mp4 - very large file, gives a good
idea of the organization of 'chaotic/fluid' architecture/organism. Text
organized by Sandy Baldwin, performance by Alan Sondheim/Sandy Baldwin

http://www.alansondheim.org/odyre1.mov - short section from rehearsal
showing two computers interacting; I ran two avatars together, so that
performance could alternate with script/object/animation changes etc.

http://www.alansondheim.org/jt.bmp - Julu Twine towards end
http://www.alansondheim.org/ad.bmp - removing objects at the end

- some East Odyssey Performance Chat Dialog

[2010/08/14 14:25]  Flight Band: All Go
[2010/08/14 14:25]  sandy Taifun: We swallowed each other, mouth against
organ, juices bubbling over the tongue, wet eyes, wet hair, mouthing
HONEY, you'd say, m
[2010/08/14 14:25]  sandy Taifun: Hey!
[2010/08/14 14:25]  sandy Taifun: I'd press myself up against the
TERMINAL screen TERMINAL desire, my nipple against the O mouthing itself,
taking death away, he
[2010/08/14 14:25]  sandy Taifun: Our membranes devoured the glass,
enchanted residue remaining on-line off-line for days.
[2010/08/14 14:25]  sandy Taifun: My mouth and HONEY's cunt: A double
hollow! My cock and HONEY's fist: Lozenge! My body would break on itself,
a limited defile!
[2010/08/14 14:25]  sandy Taifun: I enter your nave! Your feet skid down
parallel wires; sliding into my testicles, ASCII spurts from your
urethra, ASCII spurts
[2010/08/14 14:25]  sandy Taifun: would you like to bear my child
[2010/08/14 14:25]  sandy Taifun: or become my child processes
[2010/08/14 14:26]  sandy Taifun: use me!
[2010/08/14 14:26]  sandy Taifun: ???The sun deluges its chemical
holocaust to the earth with blinding indifference"
[2010/08/14 14:26]  sandy Taifun: would i murmur and caress you
[2010/08/14 14:27]  sandy Taifun: would you be my parent process
[2010/08/14 14:27]  sandy Taifun: ???erection... around my balls...
yes... across the screens... yes...???

[2010-08-14 14:41]  sandy Taifun: alan, i im'd fau ferdinand about
connectivity problem and asked him/it to pass on to lizsolo
[2010-08-14 14:45]  Alan Dojoji: it's all screwed up at this end -
[2010-08-14 14:45]  Alan Dojoji: I can't use the main machine with the
wireless keyboard!
[2010-08-14 14:45]  sandy Taifun: ok, well, there's a little time. do you
want me to connect as you?
[2010-08-14 14:45]  Alan Dojoji: It's  a complex avatar.
[2010-08-14 14:46]  Alan Dojoji: Try and fly it then drop it into the mix
[2010-08-14 14:46]  sandy Taifun: ok, ill do what i can it'll take a few
minutes to connect
[2010-08-14 14:46]  Alan Dojoji: use animation - there's one called
allover that I've been working with
[2010-08-14 14:46]  sandy Taifun: ok, so sytart allover in the middle of
this mess?
[2010-08-14 14:47]  sandy Taifun: allover animation
[2010/08/14 14:59]  sandy Taifun: u ok?
[2010/08/14 15:00]  Julu Twine: yes  running
[2010/08/14 15:00]  sandy Taifun: ok
[2010/08/14 15:04]  Julu Twine: WORDS ARE A MISERY
[2010/08/14 15:16]  sandy Taifun: i've no idea what's happening
[2010/08/14 15:23]  sandy Taifun: plz teleport
[2010/08/14 15:26]  Julu Twine: ARE YOU IN
[2010/08/14 15:26]  sandy Taifun: yes
[2010/08/14 15:26]  sandy Taifun: still no sure hat's appening
[2010/08/14 15:26]  sandy Taifun: alright onyr end??
[2010/08/14 15:27]  Julu Twine: ALL RIGHT HERE - KEEP THE CHAT GOING -
[2010/08/14 15:31]  Julu Twine: LET'S GO IN A MINUTE OR TWO\
[2010/08/14 15:31]  sandy Taifun: leave? ok
[2010/08/14 15:31]  Julu Twine: YES WE JUST BOW OUT - RIGHT NOW MAYBE? -
DO YOU THINK THIS IS LONG ENOUGH?
[2010/08/14 15:32]  sandy Taifun: i suppose, it's so thick and clotty and
dense i can't realy tell what's happening, but tat's ok
[2010/08/14 15:32]  sandy Taifun: sure leave anytime? now???
[2010/08/14 15:33]  Julu Twine: MAYBE ANOTHER MINUTE - TRY WITH MEDIA ON
, PRETTY INTERESTING
[2010/08/14 15:33]  sandy Taifun: ok just tell me when
[2010/08/14 15:34]  Julu Twine: CAN  YOU PUT UP A HUGE AMOUNT OF SCRIPT?
[2010/08/14 15:34]  sandy Taifun: ok
[2010/08/14 15:35]  Julu Twine: EXCELLENT!
[2010/08/14 15:35]  sandy Taifun: !!!!
[2010/08/14 15:35]  Julu Twine: OK LET'S LEAVE IN FIFTEEN SECONDS
[2010/08/14 15:35]  sandy Taifun: good

[15:36] sandy Taifun: definatly sharks and clowns.........what o.o. most
happy when .... Oh please God , have mercy! Oh please let it end! And he
[15:36] sandy Taifun: Hey!
[15:36] sandy Taifun: I wish I was home making new avatars on my
computer to fuck with.
[15:36] sandy Taifun: The avatar has to avoid the swords.  The swords
make the avatar angry.
[15:36] sandy Taifun: avatar-meat  from body motion-capture to digital
representation to uncaptured body body remembering origins / scars <
digital
[15:36] sandy Taifun: ancer ancer ancer/avatar ancer/ancer ancer/igital
ancer igital ancer.
[15:36] sandy Taifun: ancer{}igital{{}}avatar{}analog.
igital{{}}avatar{}analog.
[15:36] sandy Taifun: every avatar is deconstructible
[15:36] sandy Taifun: every avatar has a level of deconstruction
[15:36] sandy Taifun: engineering and reverse engineering an avatar
[15:36] sandy Taifun: Get lost!
[15:36] sandy Taifun: i prefer the small, seeping, the peripeheral,
marginal, the scattered words
[15:36] sandy Taifun: what would break down here, a language that you
use against me? so that I will absjure, abjure these ... moments ... ?
[15:36] sandy Taifun: as sites, domains, emanations, emissions, which
are interwoven and sharing coagulated ego/s, matrices, languages,
bodies.
[15:36] sandy Taifun: i prefer the small, seeping, the peripeheral,
marginal, the scattered words, drops say from a drizzle
[15:36] sandy Taifun: everything is a moment moment for you, everything
this mmmm... of matrix, mother, maternal, carrying forth
[15:36] sandy Taifun: which announces itself as the edge or frame of
this dialog, these moments carried forth...
[15:36] sandy Taifun: times which smooth us, bits and bytes, protocls
lost and smoothing functions traced across peripheries, margins

[2010-08-14 15:42]  Howl Yifu: plz teleport - sandy
[2010-08-14 15:45]  Howl Yifu is Offline
[2010-08-14 15:45]  Howl Yifu is Online
[2010-08-14 15:50]  Howl Yifu: garret lynch = v. interesting work
[2010-08-14 15:50]  Howl Yifu: shd we continue or exit?
[2010-08-14 15:51]  Alan Dojoji: definitely - we might do some thigs
together - we've been talking about it - I think exit? do you have the
text? I don't at this end -
[2010-08-14 15:51]  Howl Yifu: that's what i need to look for - not sure
twas so chaotic
[2010-08-14 15:51]  Howl Yifu: give me a few minutes
[2010-08-14 15:51]  Alan Dojoji: ok, can I call yoou later?
[2010-08-14 15:51]  Howl Yifu: yes. i'll look for text and then make
dinner
[2010-08-14 15:52]  Alan Dojoji: ok, take care -
[2010-08-14 15:52]  Howl Yifu: you 2
[2010-08-14 15:52]  Howl Yifu is Offline

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:34:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim {AT} panix.com>
Subject: maxims, laws of form

maxims, laws of form

you can't draw a distinction without the meat
if a distinction is equivalent, it's a fissure
if a distinction is different, it's a negation relative to the meat
once crossed, a negation is done
from negation emerges the other
negation is on the way to inscribing the other and the meat of the other
from a fissure emerges the slow creep of the other
from the slow creep of the other emerges the matrix of the fissure
the matrix of the fissure is unstable
different distinction is stable to the extent that negation is stable
negation of negation is somewhat of something else
a fissure is abjection in meat, is meat-abjection
different distinction renders meat-abjection taut
taut abjection is at the breaking-point of slough
substrate shines among broken meat
crossing a fissure makes no difference
the non-difference of fissure is the foundation of culture
the fissure, meat-abjection, is always imaginary
the imaginary of the fissure is uncountable, unaccounted-for
the imaginary of different distinction is surreal number
among numbers are numbers, among the fissure is defuge
fissures are reducible and irreducible
different distinctions reside on the plateau of mathesis
mathesis is extruded from the plateau of different distinctions
schemata are imaginary and unaccountable
schemata are meat-fissures

dear monster, there is nothing left of me
everything has fallen through and i cannot die for hir
s/he will be bereft and that is the worst of the token
s/he says the laws of form are the out-laws of form
s/he says the out-laws of form are meat-forms and 'no matter what'
s/he says ontology is a muscle memory
hir rightness is monstrous and true as meat is true
the truth of meat is the cleft and fissure of meat (s/he says)
i will never get back to you on this
(there is nothing to get back to)
(it is impossible to return)

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 01:57:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim {AT} panix.com>
Subject: The Sparse Dance at Humlab 

The Sparse Dance at Humlab

Avatar Julu Dojoji performing Sparse Dance at Humlab. Of all the avatar
dance videos I've done in SL, this seems to me (at the moment) to be the
most interesting - certainly the dance makes sense. Some of the materials
are worn by Dojoji, some are activated by hir; the movement is fluid,
camera work extraordinary thanks to the Snowglobe 2 Viewer. I wish to
thank my entire production staff for this. If you have ONE avatar Dojoji
film to see this year, THIS IS IT!

http://www.alansondheim.org/sparse.mp4

Seriously, it's beautiful and close to the kind of hypostatization I've
wanted to work towards, in terms of solo performance/choreography. Not to
mention the sound finally comes together. The beginning and end of the
piece demonstrates the construction and deconstruction.

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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:08:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim {AT} panix.com>
Subject: Whose Bodies

Whose Bodies

http://www.alansondheim.org/whosebodies.mp4

I can't stand this piece, non-white bodies, like Auschwitz smoke of a
future Amerika where "anchor babies" become synonyms for things, Mosques
are carousels of debris, white Amerika cleanses and scours the newer more
natural you. The virtual world is a perfect harbor for white fears, human
smoke, violence changing the (apparently Jewish and liberal) fabric of
space and time itself. What happens in Amerika doesn't stay in Amerika; it
spreads like cancer, like there's no tomorrow and there might not be. I'm
sick of humans, sick of slaughter, hatred, hunting; I'm sick of death and
destruction, sick of fundamentalisms, sick of ignorance and rumor. Welcome
to Kristallnachtundtag, worlds of pain and analysis, annihilation to the
limit. And all I can do is make stupid videos I can't stand.

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:05:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim {AT} panix.com>
Subject: The Roma: Europe's favorite Scapegoat 

Sickening and all too familiar -


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subject: The Roma: Europe's favorite Scapegoat

The Roma: Europe's favorite Scapegoat

Dispatches From The Edge

Conn Hallinan
submitted to Portside by the author

August 23, 2010

[Note: A version of this article appeared in The
Berkeley Daily Planet (The East Bay's Independent
Newspaper)
http://berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2010-08-24/article/
36127?headline=Dispatches-From-The-Edge-Roma-Europe-s-
Favorite-Scapegoat- ]

Peggy Hollinger and Chris Bryant of the Financial Times
put their fingers on what's behind the current uproar
over Europe's Roma population: the group is "an easy
target for politicians seeking to distract attention
from problems at home by playing on fears over
security." That strategy was stage center in early
August when France's conservative government shipped
several hundred Roma back to Romania and French
President Nicolas Sarkozy pledged he would bulldoze 300
Roma camps over the next several weeks.

Europe is certainly in need of distraction these days.
Sarkozy's poll numbers are dismal and his administration
is plagued by scandals. The economic crisis has seen
France's debt soar, and European governments have
instituted savage austerity programs that are filling
the jobless rolls from Dublin to Athens. Since most
politicians would rather not examine the cause of the
economic crisis roiling the continent - many were
complicit in dismantling the checks and balances that
eventually led to the current recession - "criminal
gypsies" come in very handy.

France's crackdown was sparked by an angry demonstration
in Saint-Aignan following the death of a young
"traveler" at the hands of police.  Sarkozy never saw a
riot he couldn't turn to his advantage. On July 29 his
office declared it would dismantle Roma camps because
they are "sources of illegal trafficking, profoundly
shocking living standards, exploitation of children for
begging, prostitution and crime."

Living conditions in Roma camps are, indeed, sub-
standard, but in large part because local French
authorities refuse to follow a law requiring that towns
with a population of over 5,000 establish electrical and
water hookups for such camps. And because countries like
Germany, France, Italy and Britain refuse to use any of
the $22 billion that the European Commission has made
available for alleviating the conditions that the Roma
and other minorities exist under.

As for the "crime" and "drug trafficking" charge,
research by the European Union (EU) suggests there is no
difference between crime rates among the Roma than in
"the population at large."

"Indeed there are Roma who are in charge of trafficking
networks, but they represent less than one percent of
this population, the rest are victims," David Mark, head
of the Civic Alliance of Roma in Romania, a coalition of
over 20 Roma non-governmental organizations, told IPS
News.

Mark went on to point out that "Because that one percent
commits crimes and the authorities are not able to stop
them, all Roma are being criminalized." The expulsions
and demolitions, he charged, are "based on
criminalization of an entire ethnic group, when
criminality should be judged on a case by case basis in
courts of law."

In some cases the level of hysteria would be almost
laughable were it not resulting in the most wide spread
roundup of an ethnic minority since World War II.  Italy
declared a "Gypsy emergency," in spite of the fact that
Italy, which has a population of 57.6 million people,
has only 60,000 non-Italian Roma.

Estimates are that there are between 10 and 12 million
Roma in Europe, making the group the continent's largest
minority.

For several weeks, the EU's executive body, the European
Commission, played hot potato with the issue. The EC
insisted that it was doing everything it could to help
the Roma and pointed to the $22 billion pot that remains
pretty much untapped. But it also kept silent on charges
by human rights organizations that countries like
Germany, Italy and France were violating EU law
guaranteeing freedom of movement.

These nations - primarily France - argue that since the
Roma are from Romania and Bulgaria, and both countries
are newly minted EU members, the freedom of movement
clause doesn't kick in until 2014. And, in any case,
French officials charge that the Roma can't show they
are gainfully employed and self-supporting.

On this latter point, rights organizations point out
that Roma are discriminated against in employment. "It's
somewhat hypocritical to complain about people not
having money to subsist in France when you don't offer
access to the labor market at the same time," says Bob
Kushen, managing director of the European Roma Rights
Center in Budapest.

With the exception of Spain and Finland, most EU members
have the same restrictions on staying in a country more
than three months without a regular job.

France is certainly not alone in singling out the Roma.
Germany is preparing to deport 12,000 to Kosovo, a
destination that may well put the deportees in danger,
because Kosovo Albanians accuse the Roma of siding with
the Serbs during the 1999 Yugoslav War. From the Roma's
point of view Serbia had long guaranteed their
communities a certain level of employment and
educational opportunities, while the Albanians had
always repressed them.

Other countries singling out the Roma include Britain,
Sweden, Denmark and Belgium. The Swedes deported some 50
Roma for "begging," even though begging is not a crime
in Sweden.

But France has instituted the most aggressive anti-Roma
campaign, which also includes its own "gens du voyage,"
all of whom are French citizens and theoretically
guaranteed encampment facilities. France is estimated to
have between 300,000 and 500,000 of these "travelers."

The French campaign, however, has sparked a backlash.

Romania's Foreign Minister, Teodor Basconschi, blasted
France for "criminalizing ethnic groups" and warned of
"the risks of populist provocation and creating
xenophobic reactions at a time of economic crisis."
Basconschi called for a joint Romanian-French approach
"devoid of artificial election fever."

The Vatican's secretary of the Pastoral Care of Migrants
and Itinerant People Commission said, "The mass
expulsion of Roma are against European norms."

The growing chorus of protest by human rights groups,
the United Nations, the Vatican, and Romania finally
moved the EU to inject itself into the controversy.

"Recent developments in several European countries, most
recently eviction of Roma camps in France and expulsions
of Roma from France and Germany, are certainly not the
right measures to improve the situation of this
vulnerable minority. On the contrary, they are likely to
lead to an increase in racist and xenophobic feelings in
Europe," said Meviut Cavusogiu, president of the
Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe.

Cavusogiu cited Protocol No. 4 of the European
Convention of Human Rights that prohibits "the
collective expulsions of aliens," as well as the right
to freedom of movement for all EU citizens.

However, France was sticking by its guns, claiming that
it was not "deporting" anyone: the Roma were leaving
voluntarily for a nominal payment of $386 for adults,
and $129 for children. But some members of Sarkozy's
party, the Union for a Popular Movement, were using the
word "deport," and even the more explosive term
"rafles." That was the term used to describe the
rounding up of French Jews during WW II, most of whom
died in the death camps.

Roma suffered a similar fate at the hands of the Nazis.
It is estimated that between 200,000 and 1.5 million
Roma perished in the concentration camps.

Scapegoating the Roma is an old European tradition,
almost as old as the initial migration of the Romany
people out of Rajasthan, India in the 11th century. Most
of those Roma settled in Moldavia and Wallachia -
today's Romania - where they were quickly enslaved.
Those Romany who did not escape enslavement by to taking
up the nomadic life remained slaves until 1856.

According to Maria Ochoa-Lido of the Council of Europe,
those centuries of slavery essentially sentenced the
Roma to poverty-stricken lives on the margins, with life
expectancy considerably lower than other populations in
the EU.

A lack of access to education, social services,
education and the legal system for Romania's 2.5 million
Roma still drives many of them to take to the road. As
bad as conditions for the Roma are in countries like
France and Germany, they are better than those in
poverty-stricken Romania.

The attacks on the Roma could well be a prelude to
similar campaigns against other European minorities:
Turks in Germany, Pakistanis in England, Moroccans and
Algerians in Spain and Italy, and Africans scattered
throughout the continent. Xenophobia in a time of
economic crisis rarely restricts itself to a single
target.

[Conn Hallinan is currently a columnist for Foreign
Policy In Focus (FPIF.com), a "think tank without
walls." FPIF is associated with the Institute for Policy
Study and draws together more than 600 foreign policy
analysts from around the world to examine U.S. foreign
policy. Hallinan is also a columnist for the Berkeley
Daily Planet, and an occasional free lance medical
policy writer. He is a recipient of a Project Censored
"Real News Award." He formally ran the journalism
program at the University of California at Santa Cruz,
where he was also a college provost. He holds a PhD in
Anthropology from the University of California at
Berkeley, and lives in Berkeley, California.]

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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:04:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim {AT} panix.com>
Subject: three more from the concentration camp cafe 

three more from the concentration camp cafe

they are building the arena next to our building.
eminent domain - misused - resulted in a lot of evictions.
the neighborhood was declared blighted.
we fought this stuff off for four years and lost, no surprise.
they're tearing up our street now and our building is shaking.
no surprise at that either.
i think we're going to have to move as the building falls apart.
thank god i'm white and wealthy and live in white america.
gotta learn to play, just in case the orkestra needs me.

let's beat up some jews and kick them out for being beaten.
tie anchor babies to the boats, nothing cleans like disappearance.
me i'm gonna suck up jesus christ any way i can.
he wants a blow job i'll give him a blow job.
i think my muslim friends better do the same.
gays, stay away from jesus christ, the blow jobs are for straights.
thank god i'm white and wealthy and live in white america.
gotta learn to play, just in case the orkestra needs me.

three more from the concentration camp cafe:

http://espdisk.com/alansondheim/atonalmatrix.mp3
http://espdisk.com/alansondheim/doomed1.mp3
http://espdisk.com/alansondheim/doomed2.mp3

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:39:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim {AT} panix.com>
Subject: concentration-camp cafe 

concentration-camp cafe

the jews have to play to stay alive
moslem-islam-yid music everyone's dancing
world war two plus 65 and look who's counting
someone's gone by the end of the day
burn the constitution and kneel down to pray

the poor orkestra tries again and again
fights break out between shtetls and atonals
drown out bayonetted anchor-baby screams
drop dead, go on and on, drop dead

someone's dead by the end of the day
burn the constitution and kneel down to pray

http://espdisk.com/alansondheim/cafe1.mp3
http://espdisk.com/alansondheim/cafe2.mp3

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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:17:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim {AT} panix.com>
Subject: humans protecting us 

humans protecting us

http://www.alansondheim.org/them.mp4

in them the fury of the havens unleashes disguised counter-attacks
on immigrants holding the world at bay, rewriting language, and
masquerading as true friends

it's not as if we're invited guests in them's parts
but what the hell, kill them all of us, bloody hearts beating
a note or two, i mean kill us all before we do

http://www.alansondheim.org/thems.mp4

but look my friends when thems open up into brilliant chaos of every
little town, each and every sign, who shall find our way home
if not thems

'one of thems your own dont worry youre safe here'

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:52:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim {AT} panix.com>
Subject: STOP FORCED EVICTIONS OF ROMA IN EUROPE! (fwd)

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:26:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim {AT} panix.com>
Subject: Social Media Poetics: Why Talk, Sondheim Sondheim 

Why Talk, Sondheim Sondheim

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$ ytalk sondheim
------------------= YTalk version 3.3.0 =-----------------------------
[Ringing sondheim...]
[Waiting for connection...]
------------------= YTalk version 3.3.0 =-----------------------------
------------------= sondheim {AT} panix1.panix.com =--------------------------
hello, these are dismal days, the country has lost its footing, no one
knows where we're heading, we're ruddless, rudderless, i stay in nowadays
it's like there's nowhere to go, the suffering of life isa clinamen for
buddhism, i remember when there seemed to be a form of enterprise, magic,
what you might call among oneselves, this social mediuam is lose when one
speaks
alone which always seems to be the case. sondheim i would fuck you, would
swallow you hole,
, fill your mouth with my cock, turn you inside out with the
apc apocalypse of anguag o of anguish, you choke you choking you choking on
your double bodies, these just the beginning of loss of
skin and flesh and bones, you are not listening, you write as ,
no, you wwrite as a form of deliberate muteness, the violence of language,
inherent language, becomes you, your eyes are fucked, ears are fucked, what
what you have left is text, ou, pouring out, covering everythig with the
murmur of the selves, of the self, it's singular, signu, sig, singularity,
the absolute makes itself apparent just in the wings just off the stage in
every form of speech, in every moment with
in every moment when it goes on just this form of signing no one else is
required,
it brands selves, it scars what's left of the body, ripples the mememe,
this self-fucking is
this self-fucking s
this self-fucking gnaaws away at the skein of the bodyy, sun-particles
transform its age, speech of engagement, of this there is none, i swallow
such
swallow such piss of mine, such shit, my s
my body is replaced by its severence, debris, chokes on its vomit
of debric
of debris
nothing when w
when writing is swallowed nothing is swallowed
when writing is vomitted nothing is vmoited
$ Message from Talk_Daemon {AT} panix1.panix.com at 23:03 ...
$ talk: connection requested by sondheim {AT} panix1.panix.com.
talk: respond with:  talk sondheim {AT} panix1.panix.com
$ $ [Waiting for connection...]
------------------= YTalk version 3.3.0 =-----------------------------
what you have left is text, ou, pouring out, covering everythig with the
murmur of the selves, of the self, it's singular, signu, sig, singularity,
it brands selves, it scars what's left of the body, ripples the mememe,
this self-fucking is
this self-fucking s
this self-fucking gnaaws away at the skein of the bodyy, sun-particles
transform its age, speech of engagement, of this there is none, i swallow
nothing when w
when writing is swallowed nothing is swallowed
---------------= sondheim {AT} panix1.panix.com =--------------------------
no, you wwrite as a form of deliberate muteness, the violence of language,
inherent language, becomes you, your eyes are fucked, ears are fucked, what
the absolute makes itself apparent just in the wings just off the stage in
every form of speech, in every moment with
in every moment when it goes on just this form of signing no one else is
required, such
of debris

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Message from Talk_Daemon {AT} panix1.panix.com at 23:03 ...
talk: connection requested by sondheim {AT} panix1.panix.com.
talk: respond with:  talk sondheim {AT} panix1.panix.com

[Waiting for connection...]
----------------------------= YTalk version 3.3.0
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what you have left is text, ou, pouring out, covering everythig with the
murmur of the selves, of the self, it's singular, signu, sig, singularity,
it brands selves, it scars what's left of the body, ripples the mememe,
this self-fucking is
this self-fucking s
this self-fucking gnaaws away at the skein of the bodyy, sun-particles
transform its age, speech of engagement, of this there is none, i swallow
nothing when w
when writing is swallowed nothing is swallowed

-------------------------= sondheim {AT} panix1.panix.com
=--------------------------
no, you wwrite as a form of deliberate muteness, the violence of language,
inherent language, becomes you, your eyes are fucked, ears are fucked,
what
the absolute makes itself apparent just in the wings just off the stage in
every form of speech, in every moment with
in every moment when it goes on just this form of signing no one else is
required, such
swallow such piss of mine, such shit, my s
my body is replaced by its severence, debris, chokes on its vomit
of debric
of debris
when writing is vomitted nothing is vmoited
$
k7% ytalk sondheim
----------------------------= YTalk version 3.3.0
=-----------------------------

[Waiting for connection...]
----------------------------= YTalk version 3.3.0
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inherent language, becomes you, your eyes are fucked, ears are fucked,
what
the absolute makes itself apparent just in the wings just off the stage in
every form of speech, in every moment with
in every moment when it goes on just this form of signing no one else is
required, such
swallow such piss of mine, such shit, my s
my body is replaced by its severence, debris, chokes on its vomit
of debric
of debris
when writing is vomitted nothing is vmoited
-------------------------= sondheim {AT} panix1.panix.com
=--------------------------
skin and flesh and bones, you are not listening, you write as ,
what you have left is text, ou, pouring out, covering everythig with the
murmur of the selves, of the self, it's singular, signu, sig, singularity,
it brands selves, it scars what's left of the body, ripples the mememe,
this self-fucking is
this self-fucking s
this self-fucking gnaaws away at the skein of the bodyy, sun-particles
transform its age, speech of engagement, of this there is none, i swallow
nothing when w
when writing is swallowed nothing is swallowed

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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:49:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim {AT} panix.com>
Subject: Thinking About Retiring 

Thinking About Retiring

I'm considering retirement; I'm asking for advice (back-channel); I'm at a
loss; I never thought I'd reach this point; it's a point of solitude; no
offline community, students, teaching; useless beyond occasional online
talks. I write too much, play (music) too much, think too much; it's too
much for me; too much for anyone; it's me. My friends don't return calls;
why should they; school's starting; all those residencies; commitments; I
sit in this loft (assume it's "this loft"); face the computer screen; the
viola; the keyboard; the video editing software; the guitar; the oud; I
decide what to do; I owe nothing to anyone. People visit on occasion; use
one or another of my pieces (video or music), disappear. I haven't seen
Myk (lap steel) for months; he's gone. I put work up at ESP-Disk; assume
someone listens; it's gone. Grants are gone; jobs are gone; I tire from
calling friends who don't have the time to return calls; I sit here; I
think this is a bother; admire my father who watches tv day in day out;
takes rides in the country; babbles; never did a creative thing in his
life; gave me chances I wouldn't otherwise have had; psychologically
abused me; has been retired over forty years; reads sometimes. I need to
know what to do; I'm getting suicidal; I live in vacuum; compose in
vacuum; think philosophy or dance or art in vacuum; push my own work like
an arrogant fool; wait for no returns; wait for the money to run out; the
building to collapse around me.

I don't want to go back to school as a student; tour aimlessly around the
country; volunteer for non-profits; my mind's still active. Invitations to
schools; for performances; for equipment use; have stopped. I'm sick of
the screen; this forced retirement; my sins have caught up with me; my
numerous crimes have taken their toll; you know where to find me; you just
don't know why.

Retire the cull:

wonder so many of us retire to the relative safety of cyberspace; here,
each segment! will retire all the others... the segments...
respects, seemed to him to be faultless. He had to retire to an uneasy
each segment! will retire all the others... the segments...
I would be a niter. I would retire from the machine. Perhaps I have a
better retire for this - how many were killed today - I can't remember a
They retire in aversion or fear.
each segment! will retire all the others... the segments...
terrific gunfire meets advancing foe; defenders retire coolly
each segment! will retire all the others... the segments...
female was just retiring to an inner room, when she suddenly came back
this terminated the dialogue, Julia retiring to her own room, carrying me
if retirement is a bridge that must be crossed when we get there
leisure and retirement by systematically shirking any labor

Suicide, the cull, far too many over 16 years:

 		    embryo suicide  suicide embryo
 		like now i think of suicide and hills
              O suicide O gnawed-blade hole O tourniquet punished by foaM
         Do listen to all smallthing suicide and leaping, say Alan
         Fear of deep death and do suicide.
         I would die. I want to die. I am so fantasy. I am so suicide.
       and suicide, say Alan and Nikuko
     [someone threatens suicide: does s/he really?]
    craw - a couple of other poets and myself have suicide poems in them.
    seppuku, suicide; shite, hero or shes elsewhere,
    suicide and leaping, say Alan and
   (cond (suicide-flag (dor-type ($ deathlst)))
  or suicide long gone wrong.
"or rather suicided along with opera."
'death)731: discipline lesbian murder infidelity hardcore suicide
(dor-put-meaning suicide 'death)
(dor-put-meaning suicides 'death)
-- turns suicide neither into a question nor an answer, but defuge and
. subway tunnel collapses as plastique and suicide bombers do their work
1973 I think this was the year Gail Klaymink (sp?) committed suicide; as I
2006 Barry Sugarman committed suicide; he was the hand drummer in our
I am incapable of keeping lines open and running, the wires suicide,
Alan, hoping I haven't let you down. Too many people here talking suicide.
Cybermind list. May 8, he committed suicide. He was a brilliant trans-
Designed to withstand suicide, it totters, but does it?
Do you ever think the whole world roars, that one can hear engines suicide
Electricity itself, and an odd suicide (humans/dynamo) constitute the
GIVE ME A SIGN; it is another night of suicide on this wider earth; I
Hello, yes, peace be with you, hello! I commit suicide! Humans
Hoffman a suicide, the rest of them either dead or in remission! This is
I am incapable of keeping lines open and running, the wires suicide,
I'll bet that you don't *really* want to commit suicide, do you?  If so,
If _the continuity girl_ commits suicide, does she break continuity? For
If this were a suicide note, I would leave you my all. You would hear my
Koresh or the BD said there would be no suicide.  Obviously
May suicide. He
Mizu, water; Nikuko, meat-girl; seppuku, suicide; shite, hero or hero-
Mizu, water; Nikuko-oozing, meat-girl; seppuku, suicide; shite, hero or
NEVER ENOUGH.  SUICIDE SQUAD patriot suicide squad.
Net sex, Net flame, Net ennui, Net suicide.
Now towards evening, Machine sleeps suicide quietly. What morning will
Russian might have said? Clearly to obstruct suicide is evil. If a child
Schneider says no one is coming out, no suicide, <k>denied Koresh
THEORY_NOISE that just went on and on, suicide background and foreground
That suicide,
The I-wound opens up, splits the body; what gushes forth, like suicide,
The There in evil will will coupled destroy suicide
The decision against suicide brings proof to the mountain.
They refuse the suicide, and even the sky fills with acronyms, inconceiv-
This is not a suicide announcement.
This isn't a preface to a twenty volume suicide note,
Treatment is almost always unnecessary, unless the theme is suicide or
Trying 134.115.4.238...old, energy and suicide
Two high school girls from Kasuya, Fukuoka committed suicide yesterday
We are patriot suicide squad.
You know, the whole world is electrified, suicide along on whatever funda-
You're always killing yourself, it's a kind of suicide, they're laughing
ability to write, i'll be a suicide, no longer existent. well now as you
again; death stalks me all my life. I live with the potential of suicide;
age close of unclear. with to unclear. time, to suicide, time, eighth
ahlfwillingly. we used to discuss a lot about suicide. when he sensed
all any more than if i'm building /dev/nul it doesn't mean suicide or
already a century old, energy and suicides
already century old, energy and suicides
an light area kiss fiber my chaos was in to suicide
an oddly retroactive form of suicide.
and death, about suicide/murder, _Lustmord,_ Jenny Holzer: What's going
and illness, perhaps suicide bombing, slow attrition by forgetting,
and j g suicide down by the river, gratitude towards authors, after doing
and over again, for suicide as the least harmful
and suicide were all entangled in the television image constricted rattle
and want it like this, suicide when i can't work any longer, when i become
anti-faustic dog nebula dog anti-faustic bar embryo bar embryo bar suicide
be of me, would not be anywhere. If this were a suicide note, you would
behind, still on, suicide away...
blood, disinvests the world with its poverties and suicides. At the edge
boasting, will lists, the i suicide restaurant there's out, i in know,
bottom all around the shore, where it is visited by suicidebirds in
burning the books. the books are suicides.
carried out. Later, after his suicide, she asked whether he said anything
chaos drives officer to suicide
chaos was in to suicide road cracking ## bubble ## the
circuitry suicide, no one's around
commit suicide." "Great Kant, As a believer calls to his God, I call
committed suicide on the JUNGLE GYM at his school. I never had a CRUSH on
committed suicide. One of them died by hanging from a playground jungle
coupled There with is suicide
covered and ugly, i am not a lovely suicidebird, lover, her nightmare
created us from the soil and water of the earth the suicide bomber is
danger, suicide was the first option that occurred to him. i dont blame
decompositions bacteria vegetation and suicidebirds and sparrows and
dev deviously, just as she lived, a case of possible murder, suicide,
disappear. well. on. physical. collapses. forever. lost. suicide. think.
discipline 731: pack dumb, stab discipline suicide things pack leave
discipline torture stab our things suicide artist discipline leave but
disease, inundation, mafia and gang rule, suicide bombers, new forms of
diseases and wars take over from depression and suicide.
domestic violence and suicide). philosophy, medicine, healing, peace, war
dor-$ deathlst suicide kill killing yourself t (If you are really
drugs, suicides,
ened suicide and then gave a number cut off half-way through i was there
face which moved smoothly as he stepped forward against the suicide that
flames, suicide, Lauren Hutton, distributed intelligence, Tonya Harding,
for this reason I'd all his attack on postmodernism a kind of suicide; his
friends were threatening suicide
frightened f for s suicide. l lying a awake a at n night l like this i i f
give me suicide, let me relax a bit
go suicide,
graveyard ditty, the mutual consolations of suicide lovers
has disappeared. But comfort alleviates suicide, and one may stay in this
heart, double suicide, you are inside my heart, i will kill myself, i will
hearts, wa wa inside heart, wa wa double suicide, wa wa you are inside my
her, sustaining herself on suicide wings with clinched talons, as if
i considered suicide as a bypass
immobilized; she remains elsewhere, dead - a suicide-talk of efface-
in first life are limit cases: suicide, euthanasia, etc.
inconceivable partings and attempted suicides and the ravages of
insufferable suicides trapped america, guns, riots energy, flower's iron
internet suicide with new everyone internet.
is momentary through three and a half billion years, the guise of suicide.
is the saying of suicide, I told you so. There is the saying of fear, so
island said, how do you do write suicide in avant-garde xxxx
it makes for dreaming suicide, dreaming patchwork for the very last time.
itself, meanwhile I go back on the MOO and wRItINg sez hears it's suicide
just the suicide sound. People are running and screaming again.
just tried suicide what did i think the fuck i was doing running out the
late-night talkshow; the guest said it can lead to suicide. The cut on my
line, secretly conservative? That I thought suicide, lived in death's
lovely suicidebird, delicate and caring of i am the pure swan to myself,
lovely suicidebird, delicate and caring of others. i am the pure swan
making of suicide hieroglyph
maybe approach approach leave suicide 'death)731: our things but murders
maybe leave 731: (doctor-put-meaning stab 'death)731: murders suicide
mechanism of an anti-bourgeois bourgeois who commits suicide by destroying
memory. in the reversed world, suicide is the
mover is its alleviation. But I would also argue for a suicide for trivial
murder and suicide?" That's what he said.  President Clinton, on
murderer, priestess, suicide. I travel through the slit! The slit in your
murmurs heard last no suicide. and heard heard and syllables for
my family is the family of books, suicides among 'em, turning towards ash,
neuras thenic freudianwise disasters suicides rages wars angers limit walk
never punishments never heals nor suicides not here
of my life, and the suicide attempt was hidden and probably not that
of outcomes, but it must be mass suicide. with a
of suicide there are some.
one's tendency towards suicide, which must be continually monitored. Not
one? suicide suicide suicide one?
or rather suicided along with opera.
overthrown, but that they commit suicide.
perturbing, too much talk of suicide. And if Jennifer, then ghost-like we
phonemes. suicide. won't i knife phonemes. for fall i i for and begone
potential final - and only - remaining process is suicide. Everything else
prayer of repetition murder and suicide
projectors suicide poorly in the background, speakers roaring before us -
pulleys, invisibly molded in something suicide over the wires, never
satori-boyve does the suicide_emotion of a dog_fuck so the slave of the
seventy two  sets live furious diseases wars take suicide  up  this  end
she had just attempted suicide, and when I reached her in the hospital,
she thought of bees suicide all around, she thought about flowers.
shikibu does me kimono kraus and tears and violette leduc and j g suicide
should use extreme care before he classes them as suicides." suicides.
sides of the self! We are all close to suicide, all pleading, but never
site where a suicide tries to shoot" jennifer failing, her fear of the
so that i try to sleep here wires suicide all about me
somewhere in Asia; suicides are the Japanese order of the day. Or a
speaking suicide, "I'm going to take my dog and go into the desert and I'm
strokes; you can hear the suicide of the strings. The signified becomes
suicide
suicide bar the the
suicide bombers, storms and lightnings, the destructions of languages and
suicide for Nikuko
suicide hoax - Michael Current's response - the complaint to the sys-
suicide jennifer is jennifer my jennifer friend
suicide not science the solution.
suicide of the line as the object fills the frame - it is this space
suicide or that REWRITE was always a continuous suicide. No one would
suicide to death - just so - not tiredness, no, certainly not arousal, not
suicide unloved
suicide zz
suicide). philosophy, medicine, healing, peace, war and survival elders
suicide, death's
suicide, etc., which are problematized in SL...
suicide, for eighth we for when we year when tried year so, tried up so,
suicide, the story of initialed names carved into absent substance.
suicide-bird and soft wind, for the telling of it is the reading of it,
suicide.
suicide.
suicide. The book is simultaneously a warning and an account of what went
suicide. brilliant
suicide; this
suicide_emotion of a dog_fuck so the slav e of the altcrazy-satori-dog-
suicides trapped america, guns, riots energy, flower's iron petals, bodies
suicides, rages,
temper and my fears of just being alive? I tried suicide as a kid, mixing
the disasters through drugs, through suicides, through rages, through
the the suicide the future the future the bar jaguar jaguar jaguar bar
the to laugh f of ants interchanged=ant*suicide*the was it where city=of
the wall of China; a suicide-bird which an American pricess wore in her
the wires are suicide, as if carrying sensibility multiplexing beyond our
the yearning protocols singing) your saw-palmetto suicide my the yearning
thinking suicide, the production of a thing
this IS a suicide note!
thought. between madness and suicide, this pain looms. do i need atten-
to myself, covered with ugly young." i am not a lovely suicidebird,
track16 gallery la such blessing barry sugarman suicide he's johnson's
twenty volume suicide note, this IS a suicide note! That is, if I don't
unclear. to time, suicide, eighth for we when year tried so, up lived with
unclear. unclear. to to time, time, suicide, suicide, eighth eighth for
ured. It leads to suicide, dysfunction. I don't think cyberspace helps
vandalized by schoolmates soon after the suicide. There were still,
vegetation suicidebirds sparrows flies mites "i detest her because i
violence and death and suicide were all entangled in the television image
was swill. I perform emptiness. If I send out a suicide note = nothing. I
way. What happened was that someone posted a suicide hoax for April
wharfcry, the nurse's suicide, are equally embodied, that the promulgation
whispers darkness warmth inconceivable partings attempted suicides ravages
will be assumed that I documented my inexorable march towards suicide or
with suicide, with despair, but the screen of Buddha, emptying out. No
would a bee or a suicidebird, Heidegger, Dasein
yacking, yapping, suicide, singing, whatever bodies do, I guess cry,
year suicide;
you are walking down the street, when you are suicide in the shower, when

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