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<nettime> On Wisconsin digest [x4: young, henwood, hopkins, karnak]

Re: <nettime>  Wisconsin report: 3x: rosler, ray, lockhard
     John Young <jya {AT} pipeline.com>

Re: <nettime> Wisconsin report
     Doug Henwood <dhenwood {AT} panix.com>
     John Hopkins <jhopkins {AT} neoscenes.net>
     MK Karnak <madame_karnak {AT} yahoo.com>

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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 08:22:58 -0500
From: John Young <jya {AT} pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime>  Wisconsin report: 3x: rosler, ray, lockhard

>From: martha rosler
>why so kind, even with tongue in cheek?
>oh, never mind.

Sly wry, N.B. 


>From: Joe Lockard
>John, you are an arrogant twit infatuated with your own verbiage.  You
>offer only annoying provocation that merits dismissal, not argument.  

Cut tweet to 143.


Riot beats protest. "Uniriot," United K "union" sly wry dis.

Venal unions arotting from excessive dues to pay their
armed protectors:

USSR, aptly destroyed by unionized armaments

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Subject: Re: <nettime> Wisconsin report
From: Doug Henwood <dhenwood {AT} panix.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 09:21:22 -0500

On Feb 21, 2011, at 9:42 PM, John Young wrote:

> Awaiting are a huge wad of infected sanctimonies begging 
> lancing by wit, dim and lit. Bite the bait

Nah, you're not worth the time.


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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 09:01:36 -0800
From: John Hopkins <jhopkins {AT} neoscenes.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Wisconsin report

ei tapas, et al...

>> I don't think it is echoing, except as a media construct, but, really,
>> it's at least a bit offensive to characterize a whole country as full of
>> fat sleeping slobs, although there are those who are precisely that here
>> (and elsewhere).

My main point was to say that the US is a mass of humanity like any other
mass of humanity and it has gone through, is going through, and will go
through the same cycles and events as any other human-spawned techno-social
system anywhere and anywhen.

John Young postulates that anything is impossible in the US because of the
elite handlers, and while that might be true to some extent now, that does
not mean (at all!) that the shit won't hit the fan in a year or next month
(after the 8.2 LA earthquake, or whatever crisis hits).  The cycles of
empire, of nation-state are not avoidable, period.  So I think John's
cynicism (or simple personal paralysis) is pro forma for the role on the
mailing list that he has taken on.  He redirects a frustration felt about
that paralysis outwards at those who are actively living.  so it goes.

And all this forgetting that there are autonomous zones that are extant at
a wide set of scalar and temporal manifestations within any techno-social
system.  Some systems have more than others, but to think that there is no
possibility to ever escape from under the thumb of those 'controlling the
show' exhibits a lack of understanding of the nature of the cosmos.

so it goes.

& Morlock, I dunno, what's war to you, when yer bloody stumps are ex post
facto created with a hacksaw and a tipple of whisky after getting
mini-balled with a .50 calibre thru the extremities?  I personally don't
know fast war like that, so I won't really theorize, but I do know the slow
attrition of life as it goes so far, war is merely a speeding up of the
passage...  it happens.


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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 14:29:44 -0800 (PST)
From: MK Karnak <madame_karnak {AT} yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Wisconsin report

Dear Everybody,

It is not being made clear that Walker gave huge tax breaks to corporations and 
his cronies (sorry, "supporters") and then tried to break the unions in 
Wisconsin.  According to the twitter stream created by a solidarity group that 
is supporting the workers of Wisconsin, the police and firefighters are refusing 
to be "bought off" by Walker.

Frankly, I am completely disgusted with Walker trying to kill off the unions in 
his state.  The Koch brothers who inherited their fortunes from their father are 
the ones funding much of the anti-worker activity in this country.  They are 
also very big at flouting any laws that they don't agree with. I am tired of all 
of these political prostitutes who do back flips for those that are destroying 
this country.  I am even more angry at the nitwits that support them with 
mean-spirited legislation.

Just today, I got a bill for a "surcharge" on a "traffic ticket" that I would 
not have gotten if the little towns in my area were not permitted to use any 
conceivable pretext to ticket people and then deny driver's licenses to extort 
money from them.  I am so angry at being used like an ATM for alleged leaders 
who have destroyed this country and world with their greed.
In my state, the governor won't live in the state mansion.  He has demanded a 
$10,000 a month condo.  This is the same governor who mysteriously got 
re-elected by our paperless voting machines EVEN THOUGHT NOBODY LIKES HIM.  This 
is a state which has been drilling and fracking every bit of the limestone in 
the state and pulling out gas by the thousands of linear gallons and yet 
proclaims that it is broke.  This is a state that has put up traffic cameras on 
remote highways where almost nobody lives. They have wasted money on contracts 
for their "supporters" while bitching about giving poor people $100 a month for 
food stamps.  Walker is just another example of this sort of politician.

contracts at highly inflated rates.

The saddest part of all of this is that I was raised in a "right to work" 
state.  I now see that for the farce that it is.   States that fail to protect 
the rights of workers will end up with no jobs for those workers.  That has been 
demonstrated time after time.

Ironically enough, I read that China forced Walmart to create a union for 
Chinese workers...this is the same Walmart that denies workers unions in the 
US.  I never thought that I would support labor so strongly, but I now see it as 
the last bastion of hope for the rest of us.  


Links to what is going on in Wisconsin.

Sign their petition

regularly updated information

There is also a twitter feed.

from: John Hopkins <jhopkins {AT} neoscenes.net>
to: nettime-l {AT} kein.org
sent: Sat, February 19, 2011 11:49:37 AM
subject: Re: <nettime> Wisconsin report

Ei Tapas --

> Simply unbelievable. I never even suspected that Tahrir Square could
> echo in the USA.

I don't think it is echoing, except as a media construct, but, really, it's at 
least a bit offensive to characterize a whole country as full of fat sleeping 
slobs, although there are those who are precisely that here (and elsewhere). 

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