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Michael H Goldhaber <mgoldh {AT} well.com>
     Re: <nettime> some more nuanced thoughts on SWARTZ
John Hopkins <jhopkins {AT} neoscenes.net>
     Re: <nettime> Aaron Swartz charged for downloading too many Journal
Angela Mitropoulos <s0metim3s {AT} gmail.com>
     Re: <nettime> No JSTOR downloads or bicycle-helmet-masks for you
Rob Myers <rob {AT} robmyers.org>
     Re: <nettime> some more nuanced thoughts on SWARTZ
mp <mp {AT} aktivix.org>
     Re: <nettime> some more nuanced thoughts on SWARTZ

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From: Michael H Goldhaber <mgoldh {AT} well.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> some more nuanced thoughts on SWARTZ
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:25:36 -0700

Even though he's gone, I'm still in a certain amount of shock at his
thought processes. What in "'publicly funded research' " doesn't he
understand? Usually this refers to researchers being paid, directly or
indirectly by state agencies of some sort. Or are we now to understand
they are all voluntees hoping to get a slice of the payments for
downloading their articles? And somehow I doubt that reading publicly
supported papers for free is what Rand had in mind, though I can't say
I've ever read her.

Best,
Michael

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 24, 2011, at 8:20 PM, t byfield <tbyfield {AT} panix.com> wrote:

> OK, guys, it's safe -- he's gone. Finally, we can stop pretending to be=20=
 <...>

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Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:13:49 -0700
From: John Hopkins <jhopkins {AT} neoscenes.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Aaron Swartz charged for downloading too many Journal

 >> Indeed, it's not clear from the indictment if "breaking" into the
 >> wiring closet required more than opening a door. It seems they are
 >> resting the "restricted area" argument on the fact he went into MIT
 >> buildings without being and MIT student or staff member, something
 >> that I and many other people have done.
 >
 > cheers. however MIT itself seems a pretty open minded institution,
 > just consider the open courseware, not sure how it gets into the
 > picture here.

Oh, J.!  just a reminder:

open-ness is perhaps a front to further concentrate influence and a controlling 
stake in the discourse and operation of technocratic educational processes.  I 
don't know the numbers, but major chunks of their research is directly tied in 
to the military-industrial complex, ever since WWII, and therefore, controlled 
access to many places.  Obviously not to the 'regular' schooling areas, but... 
MIT has many faces, some of them pleasant to look at and others ... not so...

jh

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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:15:39 +1000
From: Angela Mitropoulos <s0metim3s {AT} gmail.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> No JSTOR downloads or bicycle-helmet-masks for you

Excellent response. Funny because it's true.

best, Angela

On 24/07/2011 5:55 PM, Rob Myers wrote:

> On 23/07/11 21:11, David Golumbia wrote:
>
>> watch out everyone... if you're not very careful, this story may make 
>> your ideology start to show.
>
> Threatening someone with 35 years imprisonment for a case that had 
> already been settled by the parties involved in order to send a 
> message seems pretty ideological to me.
 <...>

-- 
//angela.mitropoulos |

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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:33:22 +0100
From: Rob Myers <rob {AT} robmyers.org>
Subject: Re: <nettime> some more nuanced thoughts on SWARTZ

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On 24/07/11 14:38, David Golumbia wrote:

> so we are clear: you do not believe my work, profession, or institution
> deserve compensation of any sort.
>
> [...]
>
> it's a funny philosophy for people who generally seem to have taken
> their cue from *Atlas Shrugged*.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Atlas_shrugged#Property_ri=
ghts_and_individualism

"Rand's heroes must continually fight against "parasites", "looters",
and "moochers" who demand the benefits of the heroes' labor.
[...]
"Looters" confiscate others' earnings by force
[...]
"Moochers" demand others' earnings on behalf of the needy and those
unable to earn themselves, however, they curse the producers who make
that help possible and are jealous and resentful of the talented on whom
they depend."

- Rob.

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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 09:58:51 +0100
From: mp <mp {AT} aktivix.org>
Subject: Re: <nettime> some more nuanced thoughts on SWARTZ

On 24/07/11 14:38, David Golumbia wrote:

> so we are clear: you do not believe my work, profession, or institution
> deserve compensation of any sort. they should be free. i should work for
> free. i don't know how you expect me to live while i do my work, but
> whatever.

Does the University of Virginia now have people doing free labour at
assistant professor level? I suspected it was going to come to that,
seeing as postdocs are gradually being replaced by (rich kids) interns.
Or did you lose your job? [1]

m

[1}
http://www.engl.virginia.edu/faculty/golumbia_david.shtml

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