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Re: <nettime> a call to the army of love etc. etc.
Patrice Riemens on Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:46:15 +0200 (CEST)


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Re: <nettime> a call to the army of love etc. etc.


Allan is most probably right about "the flippant manner in which words 
are bantered about", on nettime - sometimes, yet his rant about railing 
the machines ... bwo machines is immo a typical 'category mistake'. 

Given the fact that our communication has become near-entirely 
machinistic in nature, avoiding machines would kill criticism (valid or 
not) of these at the same stroke. Which raises the suspicion that 
Allan's argument parallels that of hard-core scientists (& the hard-core 
right-wing, often the same): "not happy? stay out! f*^%$# off!)

Cheers, p+3D!





On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 06:30:17PM +0200, allan siegel wrote:
> dear Mark Stahlman and others
>
> sorry about jumping in like this, I follow the various conversation on 
> this list and at times feel a great irritation at the flippant manner in 
> which words are bantered about.
>
> how bizarre to hear people railing against machines and other devices  
> that somehow materialised during the 20th century when the very  
> discourses they are engaged in is facilitated by 'machines'  
> technologies' 'inventions' and a vast array of 20th century  
> paraphernalia - not only is this some kind of simplistic Luddite rubbish 
> but also the kind of apolitical posturing that is hermetic and not at all 
> constructive.
>
> allan siegel





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