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Re: <nettime> The Revolutionary Role of a Transnational Counterparty
Dmytri Kleiner on Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:48:36 +0100 (CET)


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Re: <nettime> The Revolutionary Role of a Transnational Counterparty


On 31.10.2011 07:59, Keith Sanborn wrote:
Party specialization for those seen as incapable of representing
themselves may seem quite pragmatic but it's the beginning of
hierarchy.

We did not choose the party form, that is the form that currently Governs our society. Our choice is merely to develop our own representation or beg for it from the existing political parties.

By creating our own representation, we have the option of creating a type of party, such as what I describe as the Transnational Counterparty, having antithetical extrinsic and intrinsic characteristics so as to create the new society in the shell of the old.

Our party can never be the "beginning of hierarchy," since the governance form we encounter is already thoroughly authoritarian and hierarchical, and this in turn dictates the extrinsic form of even our party before we even get started. Yet, our intrinsic form is up to us to design, and we have the opportunity to implement the most fluid and participatory internal democracy possible.


It wd clearly give rise to internal party hierarchy, whether
acknowledged or unacknowledged and you're stuck with party cadres
with specialized expert self-interest.

While I hope you are wrong with the above, even if our party is so
doomed, we are no worse represented than with the current parties,
and, at least for time improved as the transformation you describe
above would not be instantaneous, thus the party could at the very
least serve a short-term purpose.

I fully agree with what you say below.


A mass party has to be non-hierarchical from the beginning, which
precludes the use of previous models of party relations with a mass
they "represent." there can be different kinds of participation
perhaps but social structures themselves must be altered or you're
back with the same old illusions of 20th century democracies
whether capitalist or "people's" democracies. The slippage into
representation vs participation is critical and fatal.

And these ideas should be embedded into the internal structure of the
party, even when they can not be present in the external interfaces.

Best,

--
Dmyri Kleiner
Venture Communist






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