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Re: <nettime> A Movement Without Demands?
Newmedia on Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:38:27 +0100 (CET)


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Re: <nettime> A Movement Without Demands?


Brian:
 
Thanks -- very lucid indeed!
 
> I said before that we need to search for core principles, 
> but I should have added: and for the process to embody 
> them and give them voice.
 
As you search for principles and process, how "radical" are you talking  
here?  
 
1900s radical (Lenin/Trotsky/Luxemburg)?  1800s radical (Young  Hegelians)? 
 1700s radical (Fable of the Bees)?  
 
Earlier?  John Calvin radical?  Or, Leonardo Ds Vinci  radical?
 
Which "system" are you *revolting* against?  What are its roots?   How far 
back do you need to go to uproot this simulation of our consensus?  
 
Are you talking about a *new* Protestantism?  Or are you talking about  a 
*new* Renaissance?  Or both or neither?
 
Is there a difference?  Does it matter?
 
Douglas Rushkoff talks about obsolete "operating systems" that no longer  
function -- since we are among the "educated" what does the history of these  
operating systems teach us?
 
Mark Stahlman
Brooklyn NY
 
In a message dated 1/13/2012 6:53:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
bhcontinentaldrift {AT} gmail.com writes:

One of  the questions that Keith Hart asks is: "Does the forced marriage 
of the  informal economy and the internet produce classes or interests 
that the  Marxists would once have considered 'advanced'?"
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