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Re: <nettime> Eternal September

     Newmedia {AT} aol.com
     Dmytri Kleiner <dk {AT} telekommunisten.net>
     "Erich M." <me {AT} quintessenz.org>

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From: Newmedia {AT} aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 11:41:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: <nettime> Eternal September

Dmytri:
 
> They might be our last hope.

You might want to discuss that  with some striking platinum miners.
 
> Rather than embracing the free, open, platforms 
> where net.culture was born, like Usenet, EMail, IRC, 
> etc, Capital embraced the Web.
 
You want free & open, then try 4CHAN . . .
 
The "Net" has always been about *surveillance* (with ARPANET being
initially funded by a social psychologist who was interested in reading the
emails of the scientists who first signed up) and about DESIRE (with AOL's
early  success driven by "Hot Chat" and followed by becoming the uber-cache
for the online porn industry.)
 
PANOPTICON and DESIRE are natural partners.  As were English  *ideologists* 
Jeremy Bentham and Bernard de Mandeville.
 
Capitalism depends on this partnership.  Have you dealt with this  crucial 
relationship in your writings and travels?
 
Mark Stahlman
Brooklyn NY
 
 
In a message dated 9/4/2012 11:12:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dk {AT} telekommunisten.net writes:

Last  month was a long and busy month that started in Canada and ended
in South  Africa.
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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:07:18 +0200
From: Dmytri Kleiner <dk {AT} telekommunisten.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Eternal September

On 04.09.2012 17:41, Newmedia {AT} aol.com wrote:

>Dmytri:
>
>>They might be our last hope.
>
>You might want to discuss that with some striking platinum miners.

Indeed.

>>Rather than embracing the free, open, platforms
>>where net.culture was born, like Usenet, EMail, IRC,
>>etc, Capital embraced the Web.
>
>You want free & open, then try 4CHAN . . .

4CHAN is a centrally controlled platform. Only free and open so long as 
it's operators permit it, and easily monitorable.

>The "Net" has always been about *surveillance* (with ARPANET being
>initially funded by a social psychologist who was interested in
>reading the emails of the scientists who first signed up)

ARAPNET was founded before internet email existed and long after 
several host based email systems where already widely in use where 
plenty of scientist emails could already be read. I don't think email 
was a planned service of the ARPANET, but something that a user (a 
contractor) made that caught on because it was useful. Not being host 
based, it would have been difficult for said social psychologist to read 
internet email not sent to his MTA, so it's more likely a snooping 
sociologists would rather there never was an APRANET and the scientists 
where stuck using host based systems like CTSS.


>PANOPTICON and DESIRE are natural partners. As were English
>*ideologists* Jeremy Bentham and Bernard de Mandeville.
>
>Capitalism depends on this partnership. Have you dealt with this
>crucial relationship in your writings and travels?

Capitalism depends on controlling circulation of things for which 
demand exists or can be made to exist.

Not sure if you remember, but we met at a party in your apartment in 
the late nineties. It was fun. Thanks for inviting me. Maybe we'll meet 
again one day.

-- 
Dmytri Kleiner
Venture Communist

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Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:32:58 +0200
From: "Erich M." <me {AT} quintessenz.org>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Eternal September

On 09/04/2012 07:50 PM, Dmytri Kleiner wrote:

> The Jargon File defines "The September that never ends" as "All time
> since September 1993. One of the seasonal rhythms of the Usenet used
> to be the annual September influx of clueless newbies who, lacking
> any sense of netiquette, made a general nuisance of themselves.
> This coincided with people starting college, getting their first
> internet accounts, and plunging in without bothering to learn what
> was acceptable. These relatively small drafts of newbies could be
> assimilated within a few months. But in September 1993, AOL users
> became able to post to Usenet, nearly overwhelming the old-timers'
> capacity to acculturate them

ACK & roger to this panoramic view in most of the points. The "AOLosers"
often heartily flamed becaus of flooding the groups with bad karma.
As you mentioned facebook. Compare the performance of the fuqbook stock
to the performance of then superstar AOL after 2000 on the NASDAQ.
IPOs of both were at a time, when each of the companies sported a very
large customer base, both on top of exploiting an already ageing biz
concept. Cannibalizing slightly older commercial networks first and
acquiring even more customers
So it goes. Diversification is long underway. The current situation will
not persist.
gruesse
Erich M.--

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