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Re: <nettime> Finn Brunton: A short history of spam (LMD)
Dmytri Kleiner on Sat, 1 Mar 2014 06:08:04 +0100 (CET)


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Re: <nettime> Finn Brunton: A short history of spam (LMD)


How could they have missed this?

from http://www.templetons.com/brad/spamreact.html

RMS's reaction is priceless.

----

Reaction to the DEC Spam of 1978

Possibly the first spam ever was a message from a DEC marketing rep to 
every Arpanet address on the west coast, or at least the attempt at 
that.

If you came first to this page you may first want to check out the 
history of spam or my reflections on the 25th -- now 30th -- anniversary 
which contains some notes from my interview with Thuerk, the sender.

Below is the spam itself. After it you will find a sampling of some of 
the reaction it generated -- not unlike the reaction to spam today. Look 
for the celebrity spam-defender! (Of course that was decades ago.)

Einar Stefferud, who was one of the recipients of the spam, provides 
this note of explanation:

     It was sent from SNDMSG which had limited space for To and CC and 
Subject fields. The poor soul that typed in the announcement, also (in 
those days) had to type in all the addresses, and this person was not 
trained in the use of SNDMSG.

     So, she/he started typing addresses into the Subject which 
overflowed into the TO header, which overflowed into the CC header, and 
then into the Body, and then the actual message was finally typed 
in;-)... So, lots of intended recipients did not receive it, including 
me as I was then STEF {AT} SRI-KA.

     Obviously here was no such thing as quality control in play.

     Thus it is some kind of classic example of early screw ups...

     But the reaction was the same as today's reaction to SPAM ...\Stef

The sender is identified as Gary Thuerk, an aggressive DEC marketer who 
thought Arpanet users would find it cool that DEC had integrated Arpanet 
protocol support directly into the new DEC-20 and TOPS-20 OS. I spoke 
with him to get his reflections on the event.

DEC was mostly an east coast company, and he had lots of contacts on 
the east coast to push the new Dec-20 to customers there. But with less 
presence on the west coast, he wanted to hold some open houses and reach 
all the people there. In those days, there was a printed directory of 
all people on the Arpanet. Gary spoke to his technical associate, and 
arranged to have all the addresses in the directory on the west coast 
typed in, and then added some customer contacts in other locations, 
including people at ARPA headquarters who did not, according to Thuerk, 
complain.

The engineer, Carl Gartley, was an early employee at DEC who had been 
called in to help with promoting the new Decsystem-20. They worked on 
the message for a few days, going through a few rewrites. Finally, on 
May 3, Gartley logged on to Gary's account to send the mail.

As you see below, the mail program would only accept 320 addresses. The 
rest overflowed into the body of the message. When they found some 
recipients had not gotten it, they re-sent the message to the rest of 
the recipients. According to Thuerk, they were unaware of the "address 
file" function in the mail program that would have enabled a mailing 
list.

Thuerk thought, and maintains to this day that he didn't think he was 
doing anything wrong -- even though he gets a moderate amount of spam on 
his current E-mail account. He felt the Dec-20 was really relevant news 
to the Arpanet community, the first major system with Arpanet software 
built into it. Indeed, some of those who commented on the message felt 
it was definitely more of interest than other small mass mailings they 
had seen, with baby announcements and personal trivia.

Nonetheless, he knew there would be some negative reaction. He primed 
his boss to be ready for complaint, though he didn't anticipate how 
strong it would be. The Defense Communications Agency (DCA) which ran 
the Arpanet, called Thuerk's boss, a former Air Force officer to 
register a strong complaint.

Amusingly, SpamAssassin scores this as spam. Partly for being in all 
upper case, but also because the headers of 1978 are now considered 
invalid.

One user from the University of Utah complained the spam had shut down 
his computer system. Thuerk says only 3 copies were sent to that system, 
so it was simply an unlucky coincidence that his mailbox disks were very 
near full when the message arrived.

In those days of 56kb links, the thousands of copies of this message 
were not an insignificant load, however. Some who didn't get the message 
felt left out, oddly enough, since it became such a topic of 
conversation.

Thuerk continues his career selling systems today, but his spam career 
was very short lived. In many ways, the negative reaction to that spam 
probably made sure the problem did not arise again for many years.

Here is the message.

Mail-from: DEC-MARLBORO rcvd at 3-May-78 0955-PDT
Date:  1 May 1978 1233-EDT
 From: THUERK at DEC-MARLBORO
Subject: ADRIAN {AT} SRI-KL
To:   DDAY at SRI-KL, DAY at SRI-KL, DEBOER at UCLA-CCN,
To:   WASHDC at SRI-KL, LOGICON at USC-ISI, SDAC at USC-ISI,
To:   DELDO at USC-ISI, DELEOT at USC-ISI, DELFINO at USC-ISI,
To:   DENICOFF at USC-ISI, DESPAIN at USC-ISI, DEUTSCH at SRI-KL,
To:   DEUTSCH at PARC-MAXC, EMY at CCA-TENEX, DIETER at USC-ISIB,
To:   DINES at AMES-67, MERADCON at SRI-KL, EPG-SPEC at SRI-KA,
To:   DIVELY at SRI-KL, DODD at USC-ISI, DONCHIN at USC-ISIC,
To:   JED at LLL-COMP, DORIN at CCA-TENEX, NYU at SRI-KA,
To:   DOUGHERTY at USC-ISI, PACOMJ6 at USC-ISI,
To:   DEBBY at UCLA-SECURITY, BELL at SRI-KL, JHANNON at SRI-KA,
To:   DUBOIS at USC-ISI, DUDA at SRI-KL, POH at USC-ISI,
To:   LES at SU-AI, EAST at BBN-TENEX, DEASTMAN at USC-ECL,
To:   EBISU at I4-TENEX, NAC at USC-ISIE, ECONOMIDIS at I4-TENEX,
To:   WALSH at SRI-KL, GEDWARDS at SRI-KL, WEDWARDS at USC-ISI,
To:   NUSC at SRI-KL, RM at SU-AI, ELKIND at PARC-MAXC,
To:   ELLENBY at PARC-MAXC, ELLIS at PARC-MAXC, ELLIS at USC-ISIB,
To:   ENGELBART at SRI-KL, ENGELMORE at SUMEX-AIM,
To:   ENGLISH at PARC-MAXC, ERNST at I4-TENEX,
To:   ESTRIN at MIT-MULTICS, EYRES at USC-ISIC,
To:   FAGAN at SUMEX-AIM, FALCONER at SRI-KL,
To:   DUF at UCLA-SECURITY, FARBER at RAND-UNIX, PMF at SU-AI,
To:   HALFF at USC-ISI, RJF at MIT-MC, FEIERBACH at I4-TENEX,
To:   FEIGENBAUM at USC-ISI, FEINLER at SRI-KL,
To:   FELDMAN at SUMEX-AIM, FELDMAN at SRI-KL, FERNBACH at LLL-COMP,
To:   FERRARA at RADC-MULTICS, FERRETTI at SRI-KA,
To:   FIALA at PARC-MAXC, FICKAS at USC-ISIC, AFIELD at I4-TENEX,
To:   FIKES at PARC-MAXC, REF at SU-AI, FINK at MIT-MULTICS,
To:   FINKEL at USC-ISIB, FINN at USC-ISIB, AFGWC at BBN-TENEX,
To:   FLINT at SRI-KL, WALSH at SRI-KL, DRXAN at SRI-KA,
To:   FOX at SRI-KL, FRANCESCHINI at MIT-MULTICS,
To:   SAI at USC-ISIC, FREDRICKSON at RAND-RCC, ETAC at BBN-TENEXB,
To:   FREYLING at BBN-TENEXE, FRIEDLAND at SUMEX-AIM,
To:   FRIENDSHUH at SUMEX-AIM, FRITSCH at LLL-COMP, ME at SU-AI,
To:   FURST at BBN-TENEXB, FUSS at LLL-COMP, OP-FYE at USC-ISIB,
To:   SCHILL at USC-ISIC, GAGLIARDI at USC-ISIC,
To:   GAINES at RAND-UNIX, GALLENSON at USC-ISIB,
To:   GAMBLE at BBN-TENEXE, GAMMILL at RAND-UNIX,
To:   GANAN at USC-ISI, GARCIA at SUMEX-AIM,
To:   GARDNER at SUMEX-AIM, MCCUTCHEN at SRI-KL,
To:   GARDNER at MIT-MULTICS, GARLICK at SRI-KL,
To:   GARVEY at SRI-KL, GAUTHIER at USC-ISIB,
To:   USGS-LIA at BBN-TENEX, GEMOETS at I4-TENEX,
To:   GERHART at USC-ISIB, GERLA at USC-ISIE, GERLACH at I4-TENEX,
To:   GERMAN at HARV-10, GERPHEIDE at SRI-KA, DANG at SRI-KL,
To:   GESCHKE at PARC-MAXC, GIBBONS at CMU-10A,
To:   GIFFORD.COMPSYS at MIT-MULTICS, JGILBERT at BBN-TENEXB,
To:   SGILBERT at BBN-TENEXB, SDAC at USC-ISI,
To:   GILLOGLY at RAND-UNIX, STEVE at RAND-UNIX,
To:   GLEASON at SRI-KL, JAG;BIN(1525) at UCLA-CCN,
To:   GOLD at LL-11, GOLDBERG at USC-ISIB, GOLDGERG at SRI-KL,
To:   GROBSTEIN at SRI-KL, GOLDSTEIN at BBN-TENEXB,
To:   DARPM-NW at BBN-TENEXB, GOODENOUGH at USC-ISIB,
To:   GEOFF at SRI-KL, GOODRICH at I4-TENEX, GOODWIN at USC-ISI,
To:   GOVINSKY at SRI-KL, DEAN at I4-TENEX, TEG at MIT-MULTICS,
To:   CCG at SU-AI, EPG-SPEC at SRI-KA, GRISS at USC-ECL,
To:   BJG at RAND-UNIX, MCCUTCHEN at SRI-KL, GROBSTEIN at SRI-KL,
To:   MOBAH at I4-TENEX, GUSTAFSON at USC-ISIB, GUTHARY at SRI-KL,
To:   GUTTAG at USC-ISIB, GUYTON at RAND-RCC,
To:   ETAC-AD at BBN-TENEXB, HAGMANN at USC-ECL, HALE at I4-TENEX,
To:   HALFF at USC-ISI, DEHALL at MIT-MULTICS,
To:   HAMPEL at LLL-COMP, HANNAH at USC-ISI,
To:   NORSAR-TIP at USC-ISIC, SCRL at USC-ISI, HAPPY at SRI-KL,
To:   HARDY at SRI-KL, IMPACT at SRI-KL, KLH at SRI-KL,
To:   J33PAC at USC-ISI, HARRISON at SRI-KL, WALSH at SRI-KL,
To:   DRCPM-FF at BBN-TENEXB, HART at AMES-67, HART at SRI-KL,
To:   HATHAWAY at AMES-67, AFWL at I4-TENEX, BHR at RAND-UNIX,
To:   RICK at RAND-UNIX, DEBE at USC-ISIB, HEARN at USC-ECL,
To:   HEATH at UCLA-ATS, HEITMEYER at BBN-TENEX, ADTA at SRI-KA,
To:   HENDRIX at SRI-KL, CH47M at BBN-TENEXB, HILLIER at SRI-KL,
To:   HISS at I4-TENEX, ASLAB at USC-ISIC, HOLG at USC-ISIB,
To:   HOLLINGWORTH at USC-ISIB, HOLLOWAY at HARV-10,
To:   HOLMES at SRI-KL, HOLSWORTH at SRI-KA, HOLT at LLL-COMP,
To:   HOLTHAM at LL, DHOLZMAN at RAND-UNIX, HOPPER at USC-ISIC,
To:   HOROWITZ at USC-ISIB, VSC at USC-ISI, HOWARD at LLL-COMP,
To:   HOWARD at USC-ISI, PURDUE at USC-ISI, HUBER at RAND-RCC,
To:   HUNER at RADC-MULTICS, HUTSON at AMES-67, IMUS at USC-ISI,
To:   JACOBS at USC-ISIE, JACOBS at BBN-TENEXB,
To:   JACQUES at BBN-TENEXB, JARVIS at PARC-MAXC,
To:   JEFFERS at PARC-MAXC, JENKINS at PARC-MAXC,
To:   JENSEN at SRI-KA, JIRAK at SUMEX-AIM, NICKIE at SRI-KL,
To:   JOHNSON at SUMEX-AIM, JONES at SRI-KL, JONES at LLL-COMP,
To:   JONES at I4-TENEX, RLJ at MIT-MC, JURAK at USC-ECL,
To:   KAHLER at SUMEX-AIM, MWK at SU-AI, KAINE at USC-ISIB,
To:   KALTGRAD at UCLA-ATS, MARK at UCLA-SECURITY, RAK at SU-AI,
To:   KASTNER at USC-ISIB, KATT at USC-ISIB,
To:   UCLA-MNC at USC-ISI, ALAN at PARC-MAXC, KEENAN at USC-ISI,
To:   KEHL at UCLA-CCN, KELLEY at SRI-KL, BANANA at I4-TENEX,
To:   KELLOGG at USC-ISI, DDI at USC-ISI, KEMERY at SRI-KL,
To:   KEMMERER at UCLA-ATS, PARVIZ at UCLA-ATS, KING at SUMEX-AIM,
To:   KIRSTEIN at USC-ISI, SDC at UCLA-SECURITY,
To:   KLEINROCK at USC-ISI, KLEMBA at SRI-KL, CSK at USC-ISI,
To:   KNIGHT at SRI-KL, KNOX at USC-ISI, KODA at USC-ISIB,
To:   KODANI at AMES-67, KOOIJ at USC-ISI, KREMERS at SRI-KL,
To:   BELL at SRI-KL, KUNZELMAN at SRI-KL, PROJX at SRI-KL,
To:   LAMPSON at PARC-MAXC, SDL at RAND-UNIX, JOJO at SRI-KL,
To:   SDC at USC-ISI, NELC3030 at USC-ISI,
To:   LEDERBERG at SUMEX-AIM, LEDUC at SRI-KL, JSLEE at USC-ECL,
To:   JACOBS at USC-ISIE, WREN at USC-ISIB, LEMONS at USC-ISIB,
To:   LEUNG at SRI-KL, J33PAC at USC-ISI, LEVIN at USC-ISIB,
To:   LEVINTHAL at SUMEX-AIM, LICHTENBERGER at I4-TENEX,
To:   LICHTENSTEIN at USC-ISI, LIDDLE at PARC-MAXC,
To:   LIEB at USC-ISIB, LIEBERMAN at SRI-KL, STANL at USC-ISIE,
To:   LIERE at I4-TENEX, DOCB at USC-ISIC, LINDSAY at SRI-KL,
To:   LINEBARGER at AMES-67, LIPKIS at USC-ECL, SLES at USC-ISI,
To:   LIS at SRI-KL, LONDON at USC-ISIB, J33PAC at USC-ISI,
To:   LOPER at SRI-KA, LOUVIGNY at SRI-KL, LOVELACE at USC-ISIB,
To:   LUCANIC at SRI-KL, LUCAS at USC-ISIB, DCL at SU-AI,
To:   LUDLAM at UCLA-CCN, YNGVAR at SRI-KA, LYNCH at SRI-KL,
To:   LYNN at USC-ISIB, MABREY at SRI-KL, MACKAY at AMES-67,
To:   MADER at USC-ISIB, MAGILL at SRI-KL, KMAHONEY at BBN-TENEX,
To:   MANN at USC-ISIB, ZM at SU-AI, MANNING at USC-ISI,
To:   MANTIPLY at I4-TENEX, MARIN at I4-TENEX, SCRL at USC-ISI,
To:   HARALD at SRI-KA, GLORIA-JEAN at UCLA-CCN, MARTIN at USC-ISIC,
To:   WMARTIN at USC-ISI, GRM at RAND-UNIX, MASINTER at USC-ISI,
To:   MASON at USC-ISIB, MATHIS at SRI-KL, MAYNARD at USC-ISIC,
To:   MCBREARTY at SRI-KL, MCCALL at SRI-KA, MCCARTHY at SU-AI,
To:   MCCLELLAND at USC-ISI, DORIS at RAND-UNIX, MCCLURG at SRI-KL,
To:   JOHN at I4-TENEX, MCCREIGHT at PARC-MAXC, MCCRUMB at USC-ISI,
To:   DRXTE at SRI-KA
cc:   BPM at SU-AI

Note here how we get to the body of the message and there are still 
addresses going into it that wouldn't fit!

MCKINLEY {AT} USC-ISIB
MMCM {AT} SRI-KL
OT-ITS {AT} SRI-KA
BELL {AT} SRI-KL
MEADE {AT} SRI-KL
MARTIN {AT} USC-ISI
MERRILL {AT} BBN-TENEX
METCALFE {AT} PARC-MAXC
JMETZGER {AT} USC-ISIB
MICHAEL {AT} USC-ISIC
CMILLER {AT} SUMEX-AIM
MILLER {AT} USC-ISI
SCI {AT} USC-ISI
MILLER {AT} USC-ISIC
MITCHELL {AT} PARC-MAXC
MITCHELL {AT} USC-ISI
MITCHELL {AT} SUMEX-AIM
MLM {AT} SU-AI
JPDG {AT} TENEXB
MOORE {AT} USC-ISIB
WMORE {AT} USC-ISIB
JAM {AT} SU-AI
MORAN {AT} PARC-MAXC
ROZ {AT} SU-AI
MORGAN {AT} USC-ISIB
MORRIS {AT} PARC-MAXC
MORRIS {AT} I4-TENEX
OT-ITS {AT} SRI-KA
LISA {AT} USC-ISIB
MOSHER {AT} SRI-KL
MULHERN {AT} USC-ISI
MUNTZ;BIN(1529) {AT} UCLA-CCN
MYERS {AT} USC-ISIC
MYERS {AT} RAND-RCC
DRCPM-FF-FO {AT} BBN-TENEXB
NAGEL {AT} USC-ISIB
NAPKE {AT} SRI-KL
NARDI {AT} SRI-KL
NAYLOR {AT} USC-ISIE
LOU {AT} USC-ISIE
NESBIT {AT} RAND-RCC
NEUMANN {AT} SRI-KA
NEVATIA {AT} USC-ECL
NEWBY {AT} USC-ISI
NEWEKK {AT} SRI-KA
NIELSON {AT} SRI-KL
NLL {AT} SUMEX-AIM
NILSSON {AT} SRI-KL
NITZAN {AT} SRI-KL
NOEL {AT} USC-ISIC
NORMAN {AT} PARC-MAXC
NORTON {AT} SRI-KL
JOAN {AT} USC-ISIB
NOURSE {AT} SUMEX-AIM
PDG {AT} SRI-KL
OMALLEY {AT} SRI-KA
OCKEN {AT} USC-ISIC
OESTREICHER {AT} USC-ISIB
OGDEN {AT} SRI-KA
OKINAKA {AT} USC-ISIE
OLSON {AT} I4-TENEX
ORNSTEIN {AT} PARC-MAXC
PANKO {AT} SRI-KL
TED {AT} SU-AI
PARK {AT} SRI-KL
PBARAN {AT} USC-ISI
PARKER {AT} USC-ISIB
PEARCE {AT} USC-ISI
PEPIN {AT} USC-ECL
PERKINS {AT} USC-ISIB
PETERS {AT} SRI-KL
AMPETERSON {AT} USC-ISI
ASLAB {AT} USC-ISIC
EPG-SPEC {AT} SRI-KA
PEZDIRTZ {AT} LLL-COMP
CHARLIE {AT} I4-TENEX
UCLA-DOC {AT} USC-ISI
WPHILLIPS {AT} USC-ISI
PIERCY {AT} MOFFETT-ARC
PINE {AT} SRI-KL
PIPES {AT} I4-TENEX
PIRTLE {AT} SRI-KL
POGGIO {AT} USC-ISIC
POH {AT} USC-ISI
POOL {AT} BBN-TENEX
POPEK {AT} USC-ISI
POSTEL {AT} USC-ISIB
POWER {AT} SRI-KL
PRICE {AT} USC-ECL
RANDALL {AT} USC-ISIB
RANDALL {AT} SRI-KA
RAPHAEL {AT} SRI-KL
RAPP {AT} RAND-RCC
RASMUSSEN {AT} USC-ISIC
RATTNER {AT} SRI-KL
RAY {AT} ILL-NTX
FNWC {AT} I4-TENEX
BRL {AT} SRI-KL
RETZ {AT} SRI-KL
SKIP {AT} USC-ISIB
RICHARDSON {AT} USC-ISIB
RICHES {AT} USC-ECL
GWEN {AT} USC-ECL
OP-RIEDEL {AT} USC-ISIB
RIES {AT} LLL-COMP
RINDFLEISCH {AT} SUMEX-AIM
OP-ROBBINS {AT} USC-ISIB
ROBINSON {AT} SRI-KL
JROBINSON {AT} SRI-KL
RODRIQUEZ {AT} SRI-KL
MARTIN {AT} USC-ISI
ROM {AT} USC-ISIC
ROMIEZ {AT} I4-TENEX
ROSE {AT} USC-ISI
ROSEN {AT} SRI-KL
BARBARA {AT} I4-TENEX
ROTHENBERG {AT} USC-ISIB
RUBIN {AT} SRI-KL
JBR {AT} SU-AI
RUBINSTEIN {AT} BBN-TENEXD
RUDY {AT} USC-ECL
RUGGERI {AT} SRI-KA
RULIFSON {AT} PARC-MAXC
DALE {AT} USC-ISIB
SACERDOTI {AT} SRI-KL
SAGALOWICZ {AT} SRI-KL
ALS {AT} SU-AI
SANTONI {AT} USC-ISIC
SATTERTHWAITE {AT} PARC-MAXC
SAWCHUK {AT} USC-ECL
CPF-CC {AT} USC-ISI
SCHELONKA {AT} USC-ISI
SCHILL {AT} USC-ISIC
SCHILLING {AT} USC-ISI
SCHULZ {AT} SUMEX-AIM
SCOTT {AT} SUMEX-AIM
CPF-CC {AT} USC-ISI
OP-SEATON {AT} USC-ISIB
SENNE {AT} LL
NORM {AT} RAND-UNIX
AFWL {AT} 14-TENEX
SHEPPARD {AT} LL-ASG
SHERWIN {AT} USC-ISI
SHERWOOD {AT} SRI-KL
SHORT {AT} SRI-KL
SHORTLIFE {AT} SUMEX-AIM
SHOSHANI {AT} BBN-TENEX
MARTIN {AT} USC-ISI
UCLA-NMC {AT} USC-ISIE
SDL {AT} USC-ISIC
SKOCYPEC {AT} USC-ISI
SLES {AT} USC-ISI
SLOTTOW {AT} UCLA-CCN
NOAA {AT} 14-TENEX
SMALL {AT} USC-ISI
DAVESMITH {AT} PARC-MAXC
DSMITH {AT} RAND-UNIX
SMITH {AT} SUMEX-AIM
SMITH {AT} USC-ECL
MARCIE {AT} I4-TENEX
USARSGEUR {AT} USC-ISI
LOGICON {AT} USC-ISI
EPA {AT} SRI-KL
SONDEREGGER {AT} USC-ISIB
SPEER {AT} LL
AMICON-RN {AT} USC-ISI
SPROULL {AT} PARC-MAXC
PROJX {AT} SRI-KL
STEF {AT} SRI-KA
STEFIK {AT} SUMEX-AIM
STEPHENS {AT} SRI-KA
CFD {AT} I4-TENEX
STOCKHAM {AT} SRI-KA
STOTZ {AT} USC-ISIB
ALLEN {AT} UCLA-SECURITY
STOUTE {AT} MIT-ML
STRADLING {AT} SRI-KL
STROLLO {AT} PARC-MAXC
UCLA-0638 {AT} UCLA-CCN
CRT {AT} SRI-KA
SUNSHINE {AT} RAND-UNIX
SUTHERLAND {AT} SRI-KL
SUTHERLAND {AT} RAND-UNIX
SUTHERLAND {AT} PARC-MAXC
SUTTON {AT} USC-ISIC
SWEER {AT} SUMEX-AIM
TAFT {AT} PARC-MAXC
TAYLOR {AT} USC-ISIB
TAYLOR {AT} PARC-MAXC
TAYNAI {AT} SUMEX-AIM
TEITELMAN {AT} PARC-MAXC
TENENBAUM {AT} SRI-KL
GREEP {AT} RAND-UNIX
TERRY {AT} SUMEX-AIM
TESLER {AT} PARC-MAXC
THACKER {AT} PARC-MAXC
PWT {AT} RAND-UNIX
TIPPIT {AT} USC-ISIE
TOBAGI {AT} USC-ISIE
TOGNETTI {AT} SUMEX-AIM
TORRES {AT} SRI-KL
TOWNLEY {AT} HARV-10
ELINA {AT} UCLA-ATS
TUCKER {AT} SUMEX-AIM
TUGENDER {AT} USC-ISIB
LLLSRG {AT} MIT-MC
UNCAPHER {AT} USC-ISIB
NOSC {AT} SRI-KL
UNTULIS {AT} SRI-KL
MIKE {AT} UCLA-SECURITY
AARDVARK {AT} UCLA-ATS
UZGALIS;BIN(0836) {AT} UCLA-CCN
VANGOETHEM {AT} UCLA-CCN
VANMIEROP {AT} USC-ISIB
VANNOUHUYS {AT} SRI-KL
VEIZADES {AT} SUMEX-AIM
VESECKY {AT} USC-ISI
AV {AT} MIT-DMS
VICTOR {AT} USC-ISIC
VIDAL {AT} UCLA-SECURITY
OP-VILAIN {AT} USC-ISIB
RV {AT} RAND-UNIX
SDL {AT} USC-ISIC
VOLPE {AT} SRI-KL
VONNEGUT {AT} I4-TENEX
VU {AT} SRI-KL
WACTLAR {AT} CMU-10A
WAGNER {AT} USC-ISI
WAHRMAN {AT} RAND-UNIX
WALDINGER {AT} SRI-KL
WALKER {AT} UCLA-SECURITY
WALKER {AT} SRI-KL
WALLACE {AT} PARC-MAXC
EVE {AT} UCLA-SECURITY
LOGICON {AT} USC-ISI
DON {AT} RAND-UNIX
WATSON {AT} USC-ISIC
WEIDEL {AT} USC-ECL
WEINBERG {AT} SRI-KL
JLW {AT} MIT-AI
LAUREN {AT} UCLA-SECURITY
WEISSMAN {AT} I4-TENEX
WELLS {AT} USC-ISIC
GERSH {AT} USC-ISI
WETHEREL {AT} LLL-COMP
RWW {AT} SU-AI
SCRL {AT} USC-ISI
TWHELLER {AT} SRI-KA
MABREY {AT} SRI-KL
WHITE {AT} PARC-MAXC
WHITE {AT} SUMEX-AIM
WIEDERHOLD {AT} SUMEX-AIM
WILBER {AT} SRI-KL
EPG-SPEC {AT} SRI-KA
WILCOX {AT} SUMEX-AIM
WILCZYNSKI {AT} USC-ISIB
WILE {AT} USC-ISIB
OP-WILLIAMS {AT} USC-ISIB
WILSON {AT} USC-ISIB
TW {AT} SU-AI
SCI {AT} USC-ISI
WISNIEWSKI {AT} RAND-UNIX
WOLF {AT} SRI-KL
PAT {AT} SU-AI
NELC3030 {AT} USC-ISI
WYATT {AT} HARV-10
LEO {AT} USC-ISIB
YEH {AT} LLL-COMP
YONKE {AT} USC-ISIB
YOUNGBERG {AT} SRI-KA
ZEGERS {AT} SRI-KL
ZOLOTOW {AT} SRI-KL
ZOSEL {AT} LLL-COMP
DIGITAL WILL BE GIVING A PRODUCT PRESENTATION OF THE NEWEST MEMBERS OF 
THE
DECSYSTEM-20 FAMILY; THE DECSYSTEM-2020, 2020T, 2060, AND 2060T.  THE
DECSYSTEM-20 FAMILY OF COMPUTERS HAS EVOLVED FROM THE TENEX OPERATING 
SYSTEM
AND THE DECSYSTEM-10 <PDP-10> COMPUTER ARCHITECTURE.  BOTH THE 
DECSYSTEM-2060T
AND 2020T OFFER FULL ARPANET SUPPORT UNDER THE TOPS-20 OPERATING 
SYSTEM.
THE DECSYSTEM-2060 IS AN UPWARD EXTENSION OF THE CURRENT DECSYSTEM 2040
AND 2050 FAMILY. THE DECSYSTEM-2020 IS A NEW LOW END MEMBER OF THE
DECSYSTEM-20 FAMILY AND FULLY SOFTWARE COMPATIBLE WITH ALL OF THE OTHER
DECSYSTEM-20 MODELS.

WE INVITE YOU TO COME SEE THE 2020 AND HEAR ABOUT THE DECSYSTEM-20 
FAMILY
AT THE TWO PRODUCT PRESENTATIONS WE WILL BE GIVING IN CALIFORNIA THIS
MONTH.  THE LOCATIONS WILL BE:

                TUESDAY, MAY 9, 1978 - 2 PM
                    HYATT HOUSE (NEAR THE L.A. AIRPORT)
                    LOS ANGELES, CA

                THURSDAY, MAY 11, 1978 - 2 PM
                    DUNFEY'S ROYAL COACH
                    SAN MATEO, CA
                    (4 MILES SOUTH OF S.F. AIRPORT AT BAYSHORE, RT 101 
AND RT 92)

A 2020 WILL BE THERE FOR YOU TO VIEW. ALSO TERMINALS ON-LINE TO OTHER
DECSYSTEM-20 SYSTEMS THROUGH THE ARPANET. IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND,
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT THE NEAREST DEC OFFICE
FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE EXCITING DECSYSTEM-20 FAMILY.

The Reaction to that First Spam

Here's just a snippet of some of the reaction...

10-MAY-78 23:20:30-PDT,1491;000000000001
Mail-from: SRI-KA rcvd at 5-MAY-78 1203-PDT
Mail-from: SRI-KL rcvd at 5-May-78 0732-PDT
Date:  4 May 1978 1635-PDT
 From: Feinler at SRI-KL (Jake Feinler)
Subject: MSGGROUP# 694  DEC Message
To:   DEC-MAIL-RECIPIENTS:
Redistributed-To: [ISI]<MsgGroup>Mailing.List;154:
Redistributed-By: STEFFERUD (connected to MSGGROUP)
Redistributed-Date:  5 MAY 1978


Date:  4 MAY 1978 0452-PDT
To:   FEINLER at SRI-KL
 From: DCACODE535 at USC-ISI

JAKE,

YOU MAY HAVE RECEIVED THE MSG SENT OUT BY DEC ON MAY 1 ABOUT WHICH I 
HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED SEVERAL COMPLAINTS AS YOU CAN READILY IMAGINE. CAN 
YOU FORWARD THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE TO ALL ADDRESSES OF THE SUSPECT 
MESSAGE PLUS ALL HOST AND TIP LIAISONS? THANKS:

NOTE: Please direct your comments, if any, directly to DCACODE535 {AT} ISI. 
Thanks, Jake.

ON 2 MAY 78 DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION (DEC) SENT OUT AN ARPANET 
MESSAGE ADVERTISING THEIR NEW COMPUTER SYSTEMS. THIS WAS A FLAGRANT 
VIOLATION OF THE USE OF ARPANET AS THE NETWORK IS TO BE USED FOR 
OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT BUSINESS ONLY. APPROPRIATE ACTION IS BEING 
TAKEN TO PRECLUDE ITS OCCURRENCE AGAIN.

IN ENFORCEMENT OF THIS POLICY DCA IS DEPENDENT ON THE ARPANET SPONSORS, 
AND HOST AND TIP LIAISONS. IT IS IMPERATIVE YOU INFORM YOUR USERS AND 
CONTRACTORS WHO ARE PROVIDED ARPANET ACCESS THE MEANING OF THIS POLICY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

MAJOR RAYMOND CZAHOR

CHIEF, ARPANET MANAGEMENT BRANCH, DCA

10-MAY-78 23:20:30-PDT,2192;000000000001
Mail-from: SRI-KL rcvd at 7-MAY-78 1527-PDT
Date:  7 May 1978 1527-PDT
 From: Feinler at SRI-KL (Jake Feinler)
Subject: MSGGROUP# 695  Personal comments on DEC message for MsgGroup
To:   Stef at ISI
cc:   feinler
Redistributed-To: [ISI]<MsgGroup>Mailing.List;154:
Redistributed-By: STEFFERUD (connected to MSGGROUP)
Redistributed-Date:  7 MAY 1978

I was not going to comment (and add to the traffic) on the issue of the 
DEC message that was sent out, but after having several conversations 
with people about and around on this issue I think I will add what 
hopefully will be useful insight to the problem. NOTE: The comments are 
my own. They do not represent any official message from DCA or the NIC.

There are two kinds of message that have been frowned upon on the 
network. These are advertising of particular products and advertising 
for or by job applicants. I would like to point out that there are good 
reasons (other than taking up valuable resources and the fact that some 
recipients object) for not permitting these kinds of messages. There are 
many companies in the U.S. and abroad that would like to have access to 
the Arpanet. Naturally all of them cannot have this access. Consequently 
if the ones that do have access can advertise their products to a very 
select market and the others cannot, this is really an unfair advantage. 
Likewise, if job applicants can be selected amongst some of the best 
trained around, or if the applicants themselves can advertise to a very 
select group of prospective employers, this is an unfair advantage to 
other prospective employees or employers who are not on the net.

I have heard some rumblings about 'control' and 'censorship' of the net 
by the powers-that-be, but I feel in these two particular areas they are 
leaning over backwards to be fair to the big guys and the small guys 
alike. In addition, the official message sent out asked us ('us' being 
network users) to address the issue ourselves. I personally think this 
is reasonable and think we should lend our support or otherwise be 
saddled with controls that will be a nuisance to everyone involved.

Regards,

Jake

10-MAY-78 23:20:30-PDT,3281;000000000001
Mail-from: SU-AI rcvd at 7-MAY-78 2058-PDT
Date: 7 May 1978 2057-PDT
 From: MRC at SU-AI (Mark Crispin)
Subject: MSGGROUP# 696  in reply to Jake's message about advertising
To:   MsgGroup at USC-ISI
Redistributed-To: [ISI]<MsgGroup>Mailing.List;154:
Redistributed-By: STEFFERUD (connected to MSGGROUP)
Redistributed-Date:  8 MAY 1978

I agree with Jake about suppressing advertising for many of the same 
reasons as I disagreed with suppressing subjective messages about 
QUASAR. The ARPAnet is not, as Jake pointed out, a public resource; it 
is available to pretty much a select group of people (high school kids 
regardless!). We are all engaged in activities relating to, or in 
support of, official US Government business. ARPAnet mail therefore is 
more of an "interoffice memo" sort of thing than a trade journal, not 
intended for public distribution although not "top secret" either.

Even MsgGroup is in this class; however inappropriate QUASAR is to 
MsgGroup's intent (and it was inappropriate) I feel that any censorship 
can only lead to worse things later on. I am sure that DCA realizes this 
also; otherwise the ARPAnet would have been curbed long ago. Whether or 
not QUASAR is a fake is a valid topic to be discussed among the computer 
science community via the ARPAnet; although it is inappropriate for 
MsgGroup. If there is sufficient interest, another group should be 
created whose purpose and interests embrace this issue.

I don't see any place for advertising on the ARPAnet, however; 
certainly not the bulk advertising of that DEC message. From the address 
list, it seems clear to me that the people it was sent to were the 
Californians listed in the last ARPAnet directory. This was a clear and 
flagrant abuse of the directory!

I am not sure as to how far this should be carried though. I would not 
mind hearing from DEC about their new products via ARPAnet mail, but I 
would expect considerably more technical content and considerably less 
of a sales pitch. Where is the line to be drawn between this sort of 
thing (if it is to be allowed at all) and advertising? Another point 
Jake mentioned which concerns me is that of employment hunting (by 
employee or employer). Is that to be taken to mean that a person cannot 
establish contacts at another ARPAnet site and poke around about a 
possible position there? Is this really unfair to non-ARPAnet people? 
Allow me to point out that at times a job is created in order to have a 
particular person on the staff, and if that person is unavailable, the 
job won't exist.

This all seems worthy of examination by the MsgGroup community, as it 
involves how electronic mail is to be used. Something else; I would 
greatly appreciate it if all comments about this make a distinction 
between ARPAnet mail and mail on another (possibly commercial) network. 
Saying that electronic junk mail is a no-no on the ARPAnet doesn't 
answer the question. I shudder to think about it, but I can envision 
junk mail being sent to people who implement Dialnet, and no way it 
could be prevented or stopped. I guess the ultimate solution is the 
command in your mail reading subsystem which deletes an unwanted 
message.

-- Mark

10-MAY-78 23:20:30-PDT,2250;000000000001
Mail-from: MIT-AI rcvd at 7-MAY-78 2316-PDT
Date: 8 MAY 1978 0213-EDT
 From: RMS at MIT-AI (Richard M. Stallman)
Subject: MSGGROUP# 697  Some Thoughts about advertising
To: stefferud at USC-ISI
Redistributed-To: [ISI]<MsgGroup>Mailing.List;154:
Redistributed-By: STEFFERUD (connected to MSGGROUP)
Redistributed-Date:  8 MAY 1978

1) I didn't receive the DEC message, but I can't imagine I would have 
been bothered if I have. I get tons of uninteresting mail, and system 
announcements about babies born, etc. At least a demo MIGHT have been 
interesting.

2) The amount of harm done by any of the cited "unfair" things the net 
has been used for is clearly very small. And if they have found any 
people any jobs, clearly they have done good. If I had a job to offer, I 
would offer it to my friends first. Is this "evil"? Must I advertise in 
a paper in every city in the US with population over 50,000 and then go 
to all of them to interview, all in the name of fairness? Some people, I 
am afraid, would think so. Such a great insistence on fairness would 
destort everyone's lives and do much more harm than good. So I state 
unashamedly that I am in favor of seeing jobs offered via whatever.

3) It has just been suggested that we impose someone's standards on us 
because otherwise he MIGHT do so. Well, if you feel that those standards 
are right and necessary, go right ahead and support them. But if you 
disagree with them, as I do, why hand your opponents the victory on a 
silver platter? By the suggested reasoning, we should always follow the 
political views that we don't believe in, and especially those of 
terrorists, in anticipation of their attempts to impose them on us. If 
those who think that the job offers are bad are going to try to prevent 
them, then those of us who think they are unrepugnant should uphold our 
views. Besides, I doubt that anyone can successfully force a site from 
outside to impose censorship, if the people there don't fundamentally 
agree with the desirability of it.

4) Would a dating service for people on the net be "frowned upon" by 
DCA? I hope not. But even if it is, don't let that stop you from 
notifying me via net mail if you start one.

10-MAY-78 23:20:30-PDT,685;000000000001
Mail-from: MIT-AI rcvd at 9-MAY-78 1528-PDT
Date: 9 MAY 1978 1827-EDT
 From: RMS at MIT-AI (Richard M. Stallman)
Subject: MSGGROUP# 698  DEC message [VERY TASTY!]
To: Stefferud at USC-ISI
CC: Geoff at SRI-KL
Redistributed-To: [ISI]<MsgGroup>Mailing.List;154:
Redistributed-By: STEFFERUD (connected to MSGGROUP)
Redistributed-Date:  9 MAY 1978

Well, Geoff forwarded me a copy of the DEC message, and I eat my words. 
I sure would have minded it! Nobody should be allowed to send a message 
with a header that long, no matter what it is about.

Forward this if you feel like it.

[EDITORS NOTE: ACTUALLY, I THINK RMS {AT} MIT-AI NEEDS SOME MORE COPIES. 
/STEF]

10-MAY-78 23:20:30-PDT,13632;000000000000
Mail-from: SRI-KA rcvd at 10-MAY-78 0921-PDT
Date: 10 May 1978 0910-PDT
Sender: GEOFF at SRI-KA
Subject: MSGGROUP# 699  [THUERK at DEC-MARLBORO: ADRIAN {AT} SRI-KL]
 From: Geoff at SRI-KA (Geoffrey S. Goodfellow)
To: msggroup at ISI
Message-ID: <[SRI-KA]10-May-78 09:10:14.GEOFF>


Begin forwarded message
===========================
Mail-from: DEC-MARLBORO rcvd at 3-May-78 0955-PDT
Date:  1 May 1978 1233-EDT
 From: THUERK at DEC-MARLBORO
Subject: ADRIAN {AT} SRI-KL
To:   DDAY at SRI-KL, DAY at SRI-KL, DEBOER at UCLA-CCN,

[SNIP]... [SNIP]... [SNIP]... [SNIP]... [SNIP]... [SNIP]... [SNIP]

-- 
Dmytri Kleiner
Venture Communist


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