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Re: <nettime> tensions within the bay area elites Molly Hankwitz <mollyhankwitz@gmail.com> Molly Hankwitz <mollyhankwitz@gmail.com> jeremy bentham <dnw@eskimo.com> FLOSS v. proprietary software... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Subject: Re: <nettime> tensions within the bay area elites From: Molly Hankwitz <mollyhankwitz@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 10:57:07 -0700 Art, others, I realize I'm taking the bait here, but let's take Marxism 101...there is nothing "natural" about capitalism. I must object... > Quoting Art McGee on corporations: > You either regulate their behavior, or they will always do what is natural. Nothing "natural" about capitalism! Molly - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Subject: Re: <nettime> tensions within the bay area elites From: Molly Hankwitz <mollyhankwitz@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 12:23:30 -0700 Art, Thanks for the article on housing crisis. Without overstating the terribly obvious, I must interject regarding your post on Google and "evil" that there is nothing "natural" about capitalism although capitalists would really like us to believe there is. I liked this writer's article but 1. she fails to discuss the urban planning proposal Plan A, the regional planning initiative that foresees "growth" in Bay Area 2. She avoids race and ethnicity, hence "diversity" for which SF is wonderful, and any substantive discussion of monoculturalism. 3. She does not really discuss a little known fact that in the nineties more than half the city lived below the poverty line which in CA is approximately $ 50,000. So when we talk income disparity and gentrification we are talking about people being priced out of amenities, bars, stores etc., not just their apartments. We are talking the city as. "Destination" rather than home and the transformation of street life. 4. She avoids the recent baby boom which contributes to a "kid" orientation to the city and many issues good and bad that go with it. Right now there is a huge debate going on about why upper middle class and middle class white families "choose private" instead of our amazing and diverse public school system. The inner city and the fear of its populations that it conjures cannot be overestimated. New police stations and policing regimes to support upscale housing and property values take root against "income disparity" People of color --forget the overburdened stereotype of little old ladies-- have been and continue to be forced out...along with the cultural richness of their languages, foods, faces and artistic contributions--while white populations all over the US have increased their wealth in neo liberal times...it's widely recognized that Latinos and African Americans have lost substantial wealth in their communities in the last two decades. Must be "the system" If we look at what Occupy had to say about financial matters, we see the ongoing robbing of American people throughout the last 2 decades, and this is why misuse of public infrastructure, such as bus stops for a fabulously rich corporation in SF, has raised the ire of thousands. It's called "privatization"? -- Molly > On May 15, 2014, at 12:50 AM, Art McGee <amcgee@gmail.com> wrote: > > This is pretty much the best mainstream article summarizing the current > issues with gentrification in SF: <...> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 16:47:36 -0700 From: jeremy bentham <dnw@eskimo.com> Subject: FLOSS v. proprietary software... On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:17:06AM -0700, Art McGee wrote: > Hilarious. You are quite the comedian. Unfortunately, on the desktop, OS X > is what Linux wants to be when it grows up. > Why do people continue to delude themselves in this manner? ...or, how to completely change the message without altering a word of it. -- Dave Williams dnw@eskimo.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org