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nettimocrat on Sun, 23 Nov 2014 17:13:57 +0100 (CET)


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<nettime> post-coital Europe digest [x2: jan, recktenwald]


Re: <nettime> 'fuck europe!' then what?

     Jan <janstr {AT} wirehub.nl>
     Heiko Recktenwald <heikorecktenwald {AT} googlemail.com>

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From: Jan <janstr {AT} wirehub.nl>
Subject: Re: <nettime> 'fuck europe!' then what?
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:58:30 +0100

Isn't Europe still the largest importer and exporter ?
And what/who is Europe; what about Alfred Crosby's thesis of the Neo-Europes ?

Jan

Op vrijdag 21 november 2014 18:35:48 schreef Keith Hart:

> In 1900 Europe contained 25% of the world's population, in 2100 it is
> forecast o be 6%. Europe is the main and permanent loser in this world
> crisis. Talk of reversion to the nation-state is just one symptom of that.
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From: Heiko Recktenwald <heikorecktenwald {AT} googlemail.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 15:32:59 +0100
Subject: Re: <nettime> 'fuck europe!' then what?

Am 21/11/14 20:30, schrieb JNM:

> I could describe thousands European laws wich are regressions for
> consumers compared to what was existing before Europe laws. So, I
> correct your sentence:
>
> Europe make very bad laws for consumers, but very good laws for
> transnational companies.

Yes, yes, yes, but in reality it is not the EU that acts but your nice
homecountry itself. A good example is how Germany implemented the
copyright directives, DRM etc. Politicians blame the EU for something
that they want to do themselves and if they act via Brussels there is
little resistance. People in the home countries sleep deeply and are
confused. The EU parliament is confused etc anyway. It is not
representing the Europeans anyway. There is a big structural problem in
the EU in terms of democracy and it can get only worse. But what
consumers of goods can expect from the sellers is very good and the idea
that bad sellers disapear from the market is very good as well. If the
cars or whatever are broken the consumers get a lot of compensation etc
that they would not have gotten in Germany before. Not all capitalists
are the same.

Best, H.

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