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KMV on Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:28:37 +0100 (CET)


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Re: <nettime> What is the meaning of Trump's victory?


Following up, an example of how racism is far more widespread than might be
visible from outside the states, this was just shared by a friend of mine
in San Francisco.  This is her account of her own direct experience (she is
a middle aged white woman, for context):

"On Saturday I witnessed white man towering over a woman of color wearing a
headscarf in the marketplace yelling at her that she had no right to take a
picture of his hand while he ate chocolate from her vending station. He was
yelling at her aggressively pointing his finger in her face. I could not
stand by and let it happen. I interrupted the scene and asked to calm down
and stop yelling and give her space. He turned his aggression on me
aggressively asking me if I were a cop and it's none of my business ? "No
I'm a person who cares that you are yelling at this woman and I need you to
stop" I said she has a right to film your hand while you are in public it
is her job. "No she doesn't I'm a lawyer and she fucking doesn't have a
right" he said while he said more aggressively pointing almost touching her
nose. "She does have a right and you need to stop yelling and back off" I
said. Fuck you bitch he said to me. Fuck you bitch. While my safety was
probably not truely threatened, my heart was racing. My friend watched from
a distance afraid that he might have a gun. I couldn't change his mind or
his anger. I told him in a calm voice but loud voice so those around could
hear "that it was not ok with me to see a white man yelling at a woman of
Color doing her job. He kept being aggressive and I eventually stepped back
myself. Other folks from her booth were stepping in. This shit is happening
in San Francisco. The racist are emboldened. We must stop them when we see
them happening unless our own safety will also be in jeopardy. I bet he
didn't think he was being racist. But Impact > intent

It looked like racist classist sexist shit to me.

Stand up-activists must be also be emboldened. White men of consciousness
we need your help in these times to deal with fucking white men."


On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 2:25 PM, KMV <cuuixsilver {AT} gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with Alice and Angela on this as well. Mainstream reporting over
> here has focused on economic dissatisfaction in the rust belt, and rural
> voters feeling left out, but it's worth noting that people of color in the
> rust belt still voted overwhelmingly against Trump, though their economic
> situations are likely even worse.


> --
>
> Kim De Vries
>
> http://kdevries.net/blog/
>



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<div dir=3D"ltr">Following up, an example of how racism is far more widespr=
ead than might be visible from outside the states, this was just shared by =
a friend of mine in San Francisco.=C2=A0 This is her account of her own dir=
ect experience (she is a middle aged white woman, for context):=C2=A0<div><=
br></div><div>&quot;<span style=3D"color:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:helvetic=
a,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">On Saturday I witnessed white man toweri=
ng over a woman of color wearing a headscarf in the marketplace yelling at =
her that she had no right to take a picture of his hand while he ate chocol=
ate from her vending station. He was yelling at her aggressively pointing h=
is finger in her face. I could not stand by and let it happen. I interrupte=
d the scene and asked to calm down and stop yelling and give her space. He =
turned his aggression on me aggressively asking me if I were a=C2=A0</span>=
<span class=3D"gmail-text_exposed_show" style=3D"display:inline;color:rgb(2=
9,33,41);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">cop and it&=
#39;s none of my business ? &quot;No I&#39;m a person who cares that you ar=
e yelling at this woman and I need you to stop&quot; I said she has a right=
 to film your hand while you are in public it is her job. &quot;No she does=
n&#39;t I&#39;m a lawyer and she fucking doesn&#39;t have a right&quot; he =
said while he said more aggressively pointing almost touching her nose. &qu=
ot;She does have a right and you need to stop yelling and back off&quot; I =
said. Fuck you bitch he said to me. Fuck you bitch. While my safety was pro=
bably not truely threatened, my heart was racing. My friend watched from a =
distance afraid that he might have a gun. I couldn&#39;t change is mind or =
his anger. I told him in a calm voice but loud voice so those around could =
hear &quot;that it was not ok with me to see a white man yelling at a woman=
 of Color doing her job. He kept being aggressive and I eventually stepped =
back myself. Other folks from her booth were stepping in. This shit is happ=
ening in San Francisco. The racist are emboldened. We must stop them when w=
e see them happening unless our own safety will also be in jeopardy. I bet =
he didn&#39;t think he was being racist. But Impact &gt; intent=C2=A0</span=
></div><span class=3D"gmail-text_exposed_show" style=3D"display:inline;colo=
r:rgb(29,33,41);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">It l=
ooked like racist classist sexist shit to me.=C2=A0<br>Stand up-activists m=
ust be also be emboldened. White men of consciousness we need your help in =
these times to deal with fucking white men.&quot;</span><div><br></div></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 14,=
 2016 at 2:25 PM, KMV <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cuuixsilver {AT} g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">cuuixsilver {AT} gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I agree with Alice and Ange=
la on this as well. Mainstream reporting over here has focused on economic =
dissatisfaction in the rust belt, and rural voters feeling left out, but it=
&#39;s worth noting that people of color in the rust belt still voted overw=
helmingly against Trump, though their economic situations are likely even w=
orse.<div><br></div><div>We also have no numbers on how the roll back of vo=
ting right protections affected the election. This year, numerous states pa=
ssed laws that cut back on voting hours, reduced the number of polling plac=
es, demanded particular kinds of ID, etc. In North Carolina, the new law wa=
s overturned because it was found to deliberately target people of color. I=
n other states, like Ohio, court=C2=A0</div><div>challenges failed or weren=
&#39;t finished in time.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Further, the ugly sen=
timents expressed in the Trump campaign have been voiced for years now in t=
he Gamergate movement, among the &quot;Sad Puppies,&quot; and across many a=
lt-right web sites. Young white men especially have been radicalized throug=
h these sites and movements, and now one of there ring-leaders, Stephen Ban=
non of Brietbart News, has been appointed as Trump&#39;s chief strategist.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Finally, if this was really all or evn mostly abou=
t economics, why is there now such an upsurge in hate crimes against muslim=
s, women, and especially people of color, even in affluent urban areas?</di=
v><div><br></div><div>We all know that the US doesn&#39;t like to talk abou=
t class, but it likes talking about race even less, and so focusing on econ=
omic dissatisfaction allows a more comfortable discussion. It is leftist, b=
ut avoids race and gender aspects, which are even less welcome topics than =
class.</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div><div class=
=3D"h5"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Ali=
ce Yang <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alice.lan.yang {AT} gmail.com"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">alice.lan.yang {AT} gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">I absolutely agree with Angela: &quot;a theory of ca=
pitalism that is not also<br>
<span>a theory of racism and gender (and sexuality) is a very poor theory o=
f<br>
capitalism.&quot;<br>
<br>
</span>There&#39;s a lot of talk in this thread about how white dissatisfac=
tion in<br>
the Midwest comes from a so called real place.<br>
<br>
As a women of color, I know that I have to work twice as hard for just a<br=
>
seat at the table (where I will fill a token role and people will talk<br>
over me). To me, the white dissatisfaction in the Midwest is precisely<br>
that: dissatisfaction.<br>
<br>
The poor white people who voted for Trump define success the way white<br>
supremacy in this country has made it. They believe they are entitled to<br=
>
a level of success as white folks which they feel absolutely justified<br>
in denying PoC. Trump&#39;s language, about recovering hidden potential and=
<br>
taking back for &quot;ours&quot; reflects this.<br>
<br>
This election is only about some demographics being left behind in a<br>
new, technology savvy industry if you continue the American legacy of<br>
comparing white people to white people differently than comparing them<br>
to other races. Otherwise, quite plainly, it is about race.<br>
<br>
Also, Trump won on ALL white demographics, including affluent, college<br>
educated, and female identifying.<br>
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