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Re: <nettime> The Trump Speech

     John Hopkins <jhopkins {AT} neoscenes.net>
     Joseph Rabie <joe {AT} overmydeadbody.org>
     Molly Hankwitz <mollyhankwitz {AT} gmail.com>

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Subject: Re: <nettime> The Trump Speech
From: John Hopkins <jhopkins {AT} neoscenes.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:41:41 -0700

On 23/Jan/17 14:37, Michael Gurstein wrote:

>Please note that Trump's first Executive Action has been to support
>Bernie's position and cancel US participation in the TPP thus
>effectively killing it (and with it the next stage of embedding
>neo-liberalism into the very fabric of global economy, governance and
>society.

But, hmm, really, Michael, 'to support'? Of course it isn't 'to support' -- 
it is merely a happenstance of synchronicity between random thoughtlessness 
and whatever got Bernie to his 'policy'.

By saying 'to support' is to make an implicit assumption that there is a 
rationale, a policy-dev process in Drumph's head. I think this is 
demonstrably not possible, except in the context of narcissistic 
self-survival/aggrandizement.

I also believe this type of 'engagement' is exactly where the Fourth & Fifth 
Estate went completely wrong in covering Drumph. It could well be that there 
are no 'effective' or 'organized' responses to the accession to power of 
Drumph-like figures. History suggests to me that evolutionary forces, not 
altruistic ones are the actual determinants in human history. Ready for a 
pruning of the intellectual gene-pool?

If HRC had won, her voters would have been home, complacent, consuming their 
own custom social media telling them that the violent demonstrations by 
Drumph supporters in Washington and across the Mid-West were tiny and of no 
consequence. And anyway, folks should stay barred in their homes because the 
demonstrators were heavily armed...

I wonder if neo-liberalism, democracy, socialism, or any of the rest of the 
short-form nouns describing the cesspool of wide-scale human relation have 
an effective response to the final takeover of an imperial 
cult-of-personality. Were any such processes interrupted historically except 
through violence (and that by competing imperators or their proxies!)...

cheers,

John

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From: Joseph Rabie <joe {AT} overmydeadbody.org>
Subject: Re: <nettime> The Trump Speech
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 10:48:39 +0100

   Le 23 janv. 2017 à 22:37, Michael Gurstein <[1]gurstein {AT} gmail.com> a écrit :

   Trumpism is a clear rejection of neo-liberalism in favour of America
   First nationalism which is as much anathema to the mainstream of the
   GOP as it is to the Hillary mainstream of the Dems.

   RATHER,

   Trumpism is the embrace of America First national neo-liberalism.

   He is in no way a national socialist, even though the geopolitical
   implications may compare in certain respects

   Joe.

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Subject: Re: <nettime> The Trump Speech
From: Molly Hankwitz <mollyhankwitz {AT} gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 00:09:18 -0800

"Trumpism is a clear rejection of neo-liberalism in favour of America
First nationalism which is as much anathema to the mainstream of the GOP
as it is to the Hillary mainstream of the Dems."

Yes, Michael, it would appear so, superficially - but, as we all know,
there is not a sincere bone in his body. He likes power. His lust for
power is dangerously extremist, arbitrary, angry and embattled by
insecurity. 

He has nearly done away with neo-liberalism...it's business model
(Morlock)--and is replacing it with crony capitalism --a small group of
multi billionaires destined to profit. The product is oil. The oil is in
the ground of public land, Russian arctic land and indigenous peoples
land. They will rape and pillage until they get it and use the WH to
completely deregulate and negate any restrictions. It's more like a
heist than a Presidency.

What's the Russian perspective on Arctic  drilling? 

The "establishment" is divided and coping. Clintons at the swearing in.
40 Dems refusing to go. Many Dems voting for the feared and loathed
Cabinet.

It's all about DT as filtered for the alt-right by Bannon. Bannon wrote
the speech. He's pulling many strings. 

What remains to be seen is how much anti- constitutionality even his
voters can stand. 

And the press, how they will reject him or get on board and prostitute
themselves. 

I keep my fingers crossed and smile knowing that every time he revisits
TTower he will be met by furious NY protests. 

Xxxmolly 
My 2bits bite back 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 1:37 PM, Michael Gurstein <gurstein {AT} gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Note, I am not defending Trump or Trumpism but I think developing an
> effect response means to have a fairly clear idea of what is going on.
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