Re: <nettime> The World Wide Web 30 years later: We Wove a Tangle, (Guardian Editorial)

[podinski <podinski@mailbox.org>]

Dear Nettimers,

30 Years into a Daily Cybernetic Regime...

This is a call for some HELP ! ... a little advice... and a some
perspective from those of you who have been long active in media studies
+ critical theory ... 

Sir Tim doesn't seem to have any answers to bring the globally
inter-tangled Frankenstein to heel... afterall he's just one
well-intentioned fellow, who merely  discovered a small benevolent brain
part to graft on to an oozing bricolage of abundant body parts ground up
by the military industrial complex + krapitalism + the tech industries ...

Most of our friends and colleagues and orgs, whom i respect, want to
cling to ... and "save the internet"... i guess that seems kind of
logical... that is, if you never lived in paradise ... not that i have
exactly, but i do think i have tasted it before... it definitely didn't
taste like ... machine/screen culture ad nauseum + 24/7 ... not to me
anyway.

Our CiTiZEN KiNO in Btropolis project is constructing our next show for
April 11th ( and possible tour )....

We are wondering if it's time to revisit + remix + repackage ( for
shortened attention spans ) some angles of the Frankfurt School... for
our lost digital epoch. 

We are not well-versed in its deep analysis... but thought it would be a
good moment to do more research on it for our technotopian and
technodystopian critiques...

Any suggested links + resources + media  - old and new - would be very
helpful !!

We plan to have some theater grotesque fun with it, but also be deadly
serious ... in that we are looking for ways and praxis to navigate the
emergenycy exists of those burning theaters of SURVEILLANCE
KRAPITALISM... looking for ways out of all those endless drownings in a
mediterranean-like sea of mass mediations...

Our working title is :

CiTiZEN KiNO #78: Work of Art In the Age Of Auto-Erotic Asphyxia

You can follow our work as we develop it here, and share any inputs ,
feedback, critique....

http://xlterrestrials.org/plog/?p=18951

And if anyone - who got rich off the digital era and is feeling
disturbed - has any loose cash to help co-produce the event(s), or help
us bring it to a stage, galerie, cinema near you... drop us a line...

All the best,

Dr. Podinski


p.s. Oh and THx Patrice for posting the G editorial...

and Vesna for the Call for papers...

These things led us on an interesting web surf, which is likely to be a
frame for our research ... and our attacks ...

"The Frankfurt School Knew Trump Was Coming" by Alex Ross in the New Yorker

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-frankfurt-school-knew-trump-was-coming

excerpt:

> What Adorno identified as the erasure of the “borderline between
culture and empirical reality” is endemic on social media. The failure
of Facebook to halt the proliferation of fake news during the campaign
season should have surprised no one; the local hirelings of logic are
too enamored of their algorithms—and of the revenue they generate—to
intervene. From the start, Silicon Valley monopolies have taken a
hands-off, ideologically vacant attitude toward the upwelling of
ugliness on the Internet. A defining moment was the turn-of-the-century
wave of music piracy, which did lasting damage to the idea of
intellectual property. Fake news is an extension of the same phenomenon,
and, as in the Napster era, no one is taking responsibility. Traffic
trumps ethics. <

tricky and problematic angle, that bit about "damaging intellectual
property"...

but it does hone in on a crucial aspect of the Libertarian-esque
techno-disruptions we now inhabit and are hanging onto... by our
fingertips...

And the LOSS OF CREATIVE LIVELIHOODS, will undoubtedly be a topic in our
mix.



On 3/13/19 11:56 AM, nettime-l-request@mail.kein.org wrote:
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>    1. Re: The World Wide Web 30 years later: We Wove a Tangle
>       (Guardian Editorial) (Brian Holmes)
>    2. Re: The World Wide Web 30 years later: We Wove a Tangle
>       (Guardian Editorial) (Prem Chandavarkar)
>    3. {gaia} Call for Papers - Internet Consolidation (fwd)
>       (Vesna Manojlovic)
>    4. How the East Was Won,	starring Cisco Stewart & Huawei Wayne
>       (Morlock Elloi)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 07:34:56 -0400
> From: Brian Holmes <bhcontinentaldrift@gmail.com>
> To: Nettime <nettime-l@kein.org>
> Subject: Re: <nettime> The World Wide Web 30 years later: We Wove a
> 	Tangle (Guardian Editorial)
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> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:40 AM Prem Chandavarkar <prem.cnt@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> A fundamental change is what Hossein Derakshan points out here - the
>> foundation of the web experience has changed from the hyperlink to the
>> stream.
>> https://medium.com/matter/the-web-we-have-to-save-2eb1fe15a426
>>
> It's a touching article, though most will find it quaint. Discursive
> streams of consciousness had made idiosyncratic writers wildly popular in a
> text-based medium. After the dotcom crash of 2000, the Silicorps had to
> become profitable. In 2005 the targeted image-stream began to emerge. The
> web was soon dominated by a system of control far beyond TV. The writers
> now disappeared from view. To pursue their intellectual development they
> would have to invent new forms of discipline, and struggle to fit within
> smaller and more restrictive echo-chambers, whether territorial,
> institutional or political.
>
> I feel lucky to have enjoyed the broad audiences of the blog era. And
> equally lucky not to have gone down the desperately self-seeking Facebook
> route. Long ago in his book Things, Georges Perec showed that capitalist
> products do not magically create a life worth living. La vie est ailleurs.
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> From: Prem Chandavarkar <prem.cnt@gmail.com>
> To: Brian Holmes <bhcontinentaldrift@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: <nettime> The World Wide Web 30 years later: We Wove a
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>> I feel lucky to have enjoyed the broad audiences of the blog era. And equally lucky not to have gone down the desperately self-seeking Facebook route. 
> Thanks Brian,
> I made the mistake of going down the Facebook route, and came to terms with its problems only very recently.  Derakshan?s essay was one of the provocations that made me leave social media.  Here is my blog post on the decision:
> https://medium.com/@premckar/a-farewell-to-social-media-33db26074498 <https://medium.com/@premckar/a-farewell-to-social-media-33db26074498>
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> Warm regards,
> Prem
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> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 13:42:04 +0100 (CET)
> From: Vesna Manojlovic <becha@xs4all.nl>
> To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org
> Subject: <nettime> {gaia} Call for Papers - Internet Consolidation
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> FYI
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> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:52:13 +0000
> From: Jane Coffin <coffin@isoc.org>
> To: gaia <gaia@irtf.org>
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> Hi All ?
>
> Please see this call for papers put out by Chatham House and the Internet Society on Internet Consolidation.
>
> https://think.taylorandfrancis.com/journal-cyber-policy-internet-consolidation/
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> Best,
> Jane
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> Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
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> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 19:21:37 -0700
> From: Morlock Elloi <morlockelloi@gmail.com>
> To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org
> Subject: <nettime> How the East Was Won,	starring Cisco Stewart &
> 	Huawei Wayne
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> [John Ford's 1962 classic has rough sketches of concession wars between 
> railroad builders on the virgin land.]
>
> The current Huawei/Cisco wars being fought in Europe, directly fueled by 
> governments and involving heads of state, have little to do with 
> equipment sales/profits or 'security'. No one gives a flying f*ck about 
> that.
>
> They have everything to do with data siphoning concessions: will it be 
> done by Chinese or Americans?
>
> Europe's data industry has been expertly amputated, so like a legless 
> cripple it has to buy limbs somewhere, and there are two options. 
> Europe's traffic will be siphoned in its entirety, everyone in the know 
> is cool with that (as they have no choice.) Except maybe hapless populus 
> - anyone counting on stuff like GDPR is a complete idiot (would you 
> trust cat's promise not to eat bacon?)
>
> The cripple will buy its limbs in one of these shops, and the rest is 
> described, do stay with film, in Nick Park's 1993 The Wrong Trousers.
>
> The real depravity of European politicians, committees, non-profits and 
> assorted parasites, is reflected in the fact that they don't mention the 
> 3rd option: buy nothing. Not going with the Program is unthinkable, and 
> obviously the right thing to do.
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 11:04:30 +0100
> From: Niels ten Oever <lists@digitaldissidents.org>
> To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org
> Subject: Re: <nettime> How the East Was Won, starring Cisco Stewart &
> 	Huawei Wayne
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> Hi Morlock,
>
> You might be forgetting the role of Ericsson and Nokia in the European part of this saga. 
>
> Unfortunately the tender demand for an communication infrastructure built on open hardware, open software, reproducible builds and full formal proofs of correctness are nowhere to be found...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Niels
>
> On 3/13/19 3:21 AM, Morlock Elloi wrote:
>> [John Ford's 1962 classic has rough sketches of concession wars between railroad builders on the virgin land.]
>>
>> The current Huawei/Cisco wars being fought in Europe, directly fueled by governments and involving heads of state, have little to do with equipment sales/profits or 'security'. No one gives a flying f*ck about that.
>>
>> They have everything to do with data siphoning concessions: will it be done by Chinese or Americans?
>>
>> Europe's data industry has been expertly amputated, so like a legless cripple it has to buy limbs somewhere, and there are two options. Europe's traffic will be siphoned in its entirety, everyone in the know is cool with that (as they have no choice.) Except maybe hapless populus - anyone counting on stuff like GDPR is a complete idiot (would you trust cat's promise not to eat bacon?)
>>
>> The cripple will buy its limbs in one of these shops, and the rest is described, do stay with film, in Nick Park's 1993 The Wrong Trousers.
>>
>> The real depravity of European politicians, committees, non-profits and assorted parasites, is reflected in the fact that they don't mention the 3rd option: buy nothing. Not going with the Program is unthinkable, and obviously the right thing to do.
>>
>>
>>
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