chris on Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:59:04 +0200 (MET DST) |
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Can't find the personnal adress of the person who asked for name.games so, I send directly to the list. And I just hope the accents will pass through the lines and not fall in the depth of C-space. In french you have a very bizzare similitude between "gène" and "gêne" (pronounce gen). First one is the french for "gene" and second translates as "disconfort" or "embarassement" ". According to Larousse dictionnary (which BTW means the red-hair girl), it comes from old french gehine=torture and means "a state of uneasiness felt when one has to accomplish certain actions". Which can be the case when certain people are binding certain caracters such as intelligence or superiority to genes. A way to induce that people would not be " les mêmes" (the sames), cause of their genes. One french proverb says " la où il y a de la gêne y'a pas de plaisir" (where there is discomfort there ain't no pleasure). Yes indeed. Second exemple more similar if possible : "mèmes" and "même" (pronounce mem), first one meaning "meme" and second one "same" which is not really the same as meme but undoubtedly part of it. If you define (who dares) a meme as a self-replicated element, you can consider it produces "sames"(mêmes) of itself, to propagate. In french, only the accent makes the difference, as local culture probably does with memes, coloring them or changing the name of the firm advertised on the reverse-baseball-cap. According to the red-head girl, "même" derives from latin "metipsimus" from "egomet ipses", and its first meaning, when put before the noun, is "similitude, total identity". "Un même mème" tends to be redundant, as it signifies a same meme. Written after the noun, it "marks insistance, underlines some precision"; "un mème même" translates as a mere meme. "Etre à même" means to be able to, to have the capacity to. "Etre un mème" to be a meme doesn't mean anything. The philisophical meaning hits the point : " invariant principle of the thought" and allows me to close this first serie of jeux de mots. Y.V. Christine "One is part of the problem, or of the solution" Ulrike Marie Meinhoff -!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-! Christine TREGUIER 90 avenue de Paris - 92320 Chatillon - FRANCE Tel : 33/1 47 35 6548 - Fax : 47 35 8588 http://www.babelweb.org/virtualistes --- # distributed via nettime-l : no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a closed moderated mailinglist for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@icf.de and "info nettime" in the msg body # URL: http://www.desk.nl/~nettime/ contact: nettime-owner@icf.de