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Marko Peljhan          ->       STRIKES ON MILITARY TARGETS IN YUGOSLAVIA
Lisa Haskel            ->   re: STRIKES ON MILITARY TARGETS IN YUGOSLAVIA
Steven Clift           ->       Direct Reports from Kosovo/Sebria/Yugoslavia 
                                  - E-mail to Web
Geert Lovink           ->       ANEM radio now live on DDS2
Melentie Pandilovski   ->       development of situation in Macedonia
Geert Lovink           ->       update all links!
katarina {AT} opennet.org   ->       from Belgrade

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:03:43 +0100
From: marko peljhan <marxx {AT} ljudmila.org>
To: syndicate {AT} aec.at, nettime-l {AT} desk.nl
Subject: STRIKES ON MILITARY TARGETS IN YUGOSLAVIA

dear all,
i just wanted to remind everybody, that we should think and try to help
as well as we can our friends in yugoslavia, that from now on work under
even more impossible conditions. also, we should not forget our friends
in kosovo, macedonia and albania, who work under war or extreme pressure
conditions already for a year and more.
so, i suggest that the support and fund for b92 should be, also in name
and title, extended to all the independents in kosovo and around it.
i understand this is the initial idea (help  b92 and other independent
media in yugoslavia) but this should be made even clearer.  koha, radio
21 and others, who we might not even know also need help and support.
so,  maybe call it ANEM FUND or  INDEP-MEDIA FUND, but not just B92
FUND.
i can pledge the full support of the local technical capabilities to
everybody and hope that the founders of the fund will find the means and
methods to help these media to operate under these extreme conditions
and am offering once again the full cooperation of ljudmila, ljudmila_hw
lab and pact.
what is now needed is a clear message what is needed there, from there,
but bear in mind, that the strikes struck and are aimed again and only
against strategic and to a lesser extent tactical military
installations. so maybe what is needed there are methods and means to
safely transport information in and out of yugoslavia now.
we are late with this and we should know it. just throwing money at the
media will not help. a clearer strategy is needed, so an online debate
would not be a bad idea.

marko peljhan

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From: "lisa haskel" <lisa {AT} lisa.demon.co.uk>
To: syndicate {AT} aec.at, nettime-l {AT} desk.nl, marko peljhan <marxx {AT} ljudmila.org>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:19:38 +0000
Subject: Re: Syndicate: STRIKES ON MILITARY TARGETS IN YUGOSLAVIA


dear marko, dear all,

Thanks for your posting and the important points that you raise. It 
is always the case that those who know how and whom to ask, and who 
are already known, will be the ones that get.   Those who understand 
this should try to break the cycle, even though we also recognise 
that the needs of b92 are real and urgent. 

I also agree that we cannot assume we know what is required on 
the ground.  What do you or others among us know already from the 
contacts you have? do you have suggestions?

lisa 

> Date:          Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:03:43 +0100
> From:          marko peljhan <marxx {AT} ljudmila.org>
> To:            syndicate {AT} aec.at, nettime-l {AT} desk.nl
> Subject:       Syndicate: STRIKES ON MILITARY TARGETS IN YUGOSLAVIA

     [marko's above message snipped]

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From: "Steven Clift" <clift {AT} publicus.net>
Organization: Democracies Online
To: nettime-l {AT} Desk.nl
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:13:11 -0500
Subject: Direct Reports from Kosovo/Sebria/Yugoslavia - E-mail to Web

Please forward as appropriate.  


Direct Reports from Kosovo

A simple e-mail to web system has been established for those in the
Kosovo region to post messages directly to the web for the world to
see. Please help forward this message to individuals in
Kosovo/Serbia/Yugoslavia who might share their direct experience with
the crisis.

Those on the ground in the Kosovo/Serbia/Yugoslavia are encouraged to
send their posts for direct display on the web to:

     kosovo-reports {AT} egroups.com

All posts must be read on the web from:

     http://www.eGroups.com/list/kosovo-reports/

The full service description is available below.  The links to 
related discussions or news sources are available from the web page.
As of the launch (Mar 24) it is not known exactly how this service
will be used.

Steven Clift
http://www.publicus.net
Description:

 This is a special mechanism to post real life informational e-mail
 updates from the Kosovo/Serbia/Yugoslavia region to the web for the
 world to see. All those involved are welcome to contribute their
 story from people on the ground to those in the skies. Third person
 accounts or news service stories are discouraged. 

 There will be no attempt to determine the authenticity or the
 accuracy of posts submitted. 

 This e-mail to web publishing mechanism is absolutely not designed
 for discussion. No e-mail subscription requests will be processed and
 all viewing must be done via the web interface. 

 To submit a report from the Kosovo area (no material copyrighted by
 anyone other than yourself is allowed), send it directly to: 

 kosovo-reports {AT} egroups.com 

 For newswire and media oriented sources instead of personal direct
 reports via e-mail check the following sources: EGroups - Kosovo,
 AlbaNews, a mixed set of sources to come ... 

 Those interested in discussing the matter should visit either the CNN
 message board on the topic or the soc.culture.yugoslavia and
 soc.culture.albanian newsgroups on the web via Remarq. 

 For access to news accounts visit the links from Yahoo Full Coverage
 or the BBC page on Kosovo. 

 To view the reports on the web visit:
 http://www.e-groups.com/list/kosovo-reports 

 This forum was created as an experiment by Steven Clift to determine
 the usefullness of such an e-mail to web mechanism in this sort of
 crisis situation. 


 This e-group is hosted by eGroups.com. 

 Bookmark this page as http://www.eGroups.com/list/kosovo-reports

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:27:04 +0100 (CET)
From: Geert Lovink <geert {AT} xs4all.nl>
Subject: ANEM radio now live on DDS2

From: mauzz {AT} dds.nl

As part of the action "help B92"
The Digital City DDS now put ANEM radio
 (with programme's from B92)
 live in RealAudio on the internet:
via 'DDS 2' 
http://live.dds.nl/2.ram 
(clicking this link automaticly starts RealAudio player)

This signal is picked up in Amsterdam from
 'Europe by Satellite' sound channel 12 (pid 312)
(normally the swedish translations of the European commission meetings)
On the Hotbird 3 satellite, 13 degrees east

ANEM
http://anem.opennet.org/

Europe by Satellite
http://europa.eu.int/en/comm/dg10/infcom/ebsprgen.htm

DDS LIVEWEB
http://live.dds.nl

De Digitale Stad
http://www.dds.nl

Thanks to sponsor Kramer Satellite Systems Amsterdam
http://www.kramer.nu

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:43:11 +0100 (MET)
From: Melentie Pandilovski <mpandil {AT} soros.org.mk>
To: syndicate {AT} aec.at
Subject: Syndicate: development of situation in Macedonia

Dear all,

Large Anti-Nato demonstrations in Skopje! "NATO go home, Yankees go home"
is exclaimed.  First in front of the hotel Alexander Palace and now more
than 10,000 people according to TV stations are infront of the American
embassy from 18hrs. The demonstrators are throwing eggs and other harmless
materials to the Embassy. However the reception of the embassy is burning
due to hits from Molotov cocktails. Some American flags are being burnt
and there are some cars burnt.
More demonstrators are gathering and about to move to the center of the city.

Let's hope things stay calm.

Melentie

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:43:02 +0100 (CET)
From: Geert Lovink <geert {AT} xs4all.nl>

http://play.rbn.com/?b92
update all links!!

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:22:41 +0100 (CET)
From: Geert Lovink <geert {AT} xs4all.nl>
Subject: from Belgrade (fwd)

From: katarina {AT} opennet.org
Subject: from Belgrade

video of the bombing of airport Batajnica took from the roof of Dom
omladine - building in which B92 is situated (Batajnica is 26km from Dom
omladine and Dom omladine is in the middle of the town).

we where up there and what was terrifying is long lasting white track of
the bomb carrier we where looking at for 2 minutes - going from left to
right at the clear sky.

can be seen at http://www.b92.com..

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