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- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - <nettime-l-temp@material.net> is the temporary home of the nettime-l list while desk.nl rebuilds its list-serving machine. please continue to send messages to <nettime-l@desk.nl> and your commands to <majordomo@desk.nl>. nettime-l-temp should be active for approximately 2 weeks (11-28 Jun 99). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 12:50:57 +0400 From: olia lialina <olialia@teleportacia.org> To: nettime-l-temp@material.net Subject: Re:art.hacktivism Subject: Re:art.hacktivism Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:10:54 +0400 From: olia lialina <olialia@teleportacia.org> Organization: Teleportacia To: nettime-l@Desk.nl, list@rhizome.org, Luther Blissett <12345@net27.it> LB: [...] Net.art, born just some years ago, is becoming *the* new art form, the ultimate one, and the most absurd thing is that net.artists themselves seem to expect nothing else. Everyone with his own site, everyone with his own domain, everyone with his own gallery, they are throwing themselves into the trammels of traditional art, completely ignoring what net.art could/should be and misunderstanding the real power of the web. OL: 1.Wrong argument. Registration of domain name sais about understanding of the real power of the web. 2.0100101110101101.ORG is a domain name registrated at the same company and for the same money as others. LB: The point under discussion is always the same: how to sell a net.art work. In other words: how to make net.art regress to the status of traditional art. OL: Not "in other words" but "in LB words". LB: All of it dictated by one and only ideal: the circled "C". Result? Within two years net.art will be in all museums and art history handbooks, with the names of the "protagonists of the heroic period", dates, movements, influences, generations and so on, tons of the same shit we have been eating all the times. But this is not what we expected. We hoped that something else would come out, at least in the web. The web is the paradise of no-copyright, plagiarism, confusion and exchange, why the hell are those people trying, by any means, to create a copy of the real world? OL: In general net is an analog of "real world" and part of it. What I and others who take Internet seriously are doing is modeling situations, relations, structures. LB: The difference between net.art and every other form of art seems to be "interactivity", at least this is what we got used to hear. OL: Bozhe moj. who told it to you? whom you talked with and when? try to recall. May be it was about compact disks or computer installations? any way, dont say it again. If you need a keyword for net art its a "connectivity". LB:But recently something's changed. OL: What exactly has changed? LB:We're talking about 0100101110101101.ORG, come into the limelight for having hacked hell.com. In fact, 0100101110101101.ORG is trying to show that art in the web can really become "interactive ": the public must use it interactively, we must use an artwork in an unpredictable way, one that the author didn't foresee, to rescue it from its normal routine (studio/gallery/museum or homepage/hell.com/Moma) and re-use it in a different and novel way. OL: What you've described is an art method known long before the Internet. (Soviet conceptual culture is based on it, or found footage in film can be an example). Internet really gave a new life to "re-use" and it is one of the most important skills if you work with the net. LB: The first files appeared in 0100101110101101.ORG are what we'll call "hybrids", in absence of other names: pages by other net.artists all mixed in a random way. This section of the site is centered around a random concept, so that the interface changes every time you visit it. OL: Yes, I remember we made it two years ago at http://remote.aec.at. Random is a nice idea. LB: The toolbar becomes useless, the "back" command loses its logical function: OL: its a fault.. LB: every page is set in the unpredictable sequence of chance. 0100101110101101.ORG downloads the websites of the most popular net.artists and then s/he/it/them manipulates them as "it" wants, using them in an interactive way. OL: what you call interaction i still cant understand. LB: The night of 9th june, it was the turn of "Art.Teleportacia"'s. "Art.Teleportacia" is the first net.art gallery to have appeared in the web, and also the first attempt to sell works of net.art. The exhibition we're talking about was "Miniatures of the heroic period ", and consisted of some pages by five of the most known net.artists in the world - Jodi, Vuk, Irational, Easylife and Lialina - for sale at 2000 $ each. 0100101110101101.ORG cloned the gallery. OL: as it seems you are an expert not only in interactivity. What is made on 0100101110101101.ORG is a parody, clone means complite identity. LB: manipulated the contents and uploaded it in a new "anticopyright" version, obviously without asking permission to anyone and violating the copyright of the original site. The exhibition changed its name into "Hybrids of the heroic period ", and the five "original" works were replaced with as many "hybrids", files obtained mixing pages by net.artists with some trash of the web. OL: Good. this is actually what I like in 0100101110101101.ORG. Right attitude - to be a spider. And not only to make a web, but to make it on purpose: to catch flys. Not only to make links but to be able to work and play with things which are already created in the net. LB: The theoretical pillars that hold Art.Teleportacia are mainly three: - 1 A work of net.art can be sold as well as any other work of art OL: Right LB: 2 Each net.art work must be covered by copyright and nobody, except the artist, can download it or even link to it without the permission of the author. OL: Not true LB: 3 The "sign" of a net.art work is in the "Location bar", so the url is the only guarantee of originality. OL: Not the only, but the most effective. LB: Cloninig Art.Teleportacia 0100101110101101.ORG brought down all the presuppositions of the gallery, the contradictions which this way of thinking runs into became evident. OL: Making a parody on Art.Teleportacia 0100101110101101.ORG brought new clients to the gallery and good publicity for itself. LB: Technically, whoever visits a site downloads automatically, in the cache, all the files he sees. In fact s/he already owns them, therefore it is nonsense to sell pages already being in the hard disks of millions of people. OL: This I already heard from media curators who wanted to have my works for nothing and to earn money on them. But its an illusion. LB: - it would be more useful to tell the public the fastest way to download the whole website. We must keep in mind that net.art is digital, it is binary code, everything is reproducible to infinity without losing quality... just numbers! - finally, we entered the "age of its technical reproducibility" - and every copy is identical to the "original" one. The concept itself of an "original" is now meaningless OL: no, now it is meaningful as never before. will explain in the end why. LB: and even the concepts of false and plagiarism don't exist any longer. If it's obsolete to talk about "originals" in the real world, it becomes absolutely paradoxical in the web. OL: Im not very much involved in real world business, but if this issue would be obsolete you, Luther, wont be able to get money from your publishing house. LB: We wish to see hundreds of 0100101110101101.ORG repeating sites of net.artists endlessly, so that nobody realizes which was the "original" one, we would like to see hundreds of Jodi and hell.com, all different, all original, and nobody filing lawsuits for copyright infringement, there would be no more originals to preserve. OL: Are you really familiar with net art or net in general? if yes you should know that copying is not a big deal. You can make hundreds of Art.Teleportacia galleries, but next day they will be only hundreds of outdated pages with not actual information and broken links, because I will update only http://art.teleportacia.org . The same with all on line art and not art works. What is done on the net is not a book or cd or tape kind of product. It is not complete, not frosen, but can be changed every moment. And this moment is a difference between copies and originals. LB: Art.Teleportacia: clone: http://www.0100101110101101.ORG/Art.Teleportacia "original": http://art.teleportacia.org/art-mac.html OL: Art.Teleportacia URL is http://art.teleportacia.org