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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:23:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: TELECOM Digest Editor <ptownson {AT} massis.lcs.mit.edu>
To: ptownson {AT} massis.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Installment 2: Have Vint and Esther Got a Deal For You!


                   This posting is in the public domain.
                   Feel free to post it to appropriate
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                   *Do not spam* in the process of doing
                   so, however it is important that all
                   netizens be aware that there are some
                   things going on with the net they may
                   not like. For instance, who runs it,
                   who sets the policies, rules, etc.

In today's installment, we shall look at the original emails which were
referenced yesterday. I received some email today which suggested that the
quoted references yesterday were half-truths at best, and deliberatly
taken out of context. So, let's just have the entire content of the email
so you can decide whatever you want without Gordon Cook being involved,
and whatever agenda you think he has. 

As a side note, I got the attached from someone who provides some
additional references. You can go read them intact if you wish. 

   Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 22:27:21 +0100
   From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1 {AT} ix.netcom.com>
   Organization: INEG. Inc. (Spokesman INEGroup)
   To: ptownson {AT} telecom-digest.org

Pat,

  You haven't seen the half of this mess yet.  You might want to review
the archives of the ICANN mailing black holes and the DNSO General
Assembly mailing lost at http://www.dnso.org for some even more
interesting reading ... 

Regards,


Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1 {AT} ix.netcom.com
Contact Number:  972-447-1894
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208

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Next, a response from Mike Roberts of ICANN. This was not addressed to me,
but rather to one of the mailing lists such as telecom where Gordon Cook's
report was printed yesterday. (There were several places it appeared about
the same time yesterday.) 

  From: Mike Roberts <mmr {AT} darwin.ptvy.ca.us>
  Subject: Re: Cook
  To: poised {AT} lists.tislabs.com
  Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT)

If there is anyone on POISED who feels that any of the allegations in
Gordon's latest rant deserve any inquiry, I'd be happy to talk to you
offline from POISED - by email, telephone or in person. My contact
information is below. 

- Mike Roberts


Michael M. Roberts
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer

Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330, Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6601
+1 310.823.9358 voice   +1 310.823.8649 fax   http://www.icann.org

Office of the Interim President & CEO
339 La Cuesta Drive, Portola Valley, CA 94028 USA
+1.650.854.2108 voice / +1.650.854.8134 fax
roberts {AT} icann.org


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Note that Roberts (and I assume others at ICANN) merely considered Gordon
Cook's report to be a 'rant' and unworthy of public response.  Very well,
if anyone wishes to write him to discuss their concerns, feel free to do
so.  But before you do, read on .... 

Here is a list of the venture capitalists they tried to hit on for money.
These were the names attached to the note which was sent out. Each of them
also received a copy yesterday in email of Cook's report. 

jdoerr {AT} kpcb.com
jimb {AT} netscape.com
gconrades {AT} polarisventures.com
awinblad {AT} humwin.com
bdunleavie {AT} benchmark.com
joe {AT} accel.com
amorgan {AT} mayfield.com
gmacnamee {AT} harnquist.com
patricof {AT} patricof.com
mleventhal {AT} mayfield.com
vkhosla {AT} kpcb.com
kfox {AT} internetcapital.com
wbuckley {AT} internetcapital.com
Grosbeck, Wye; Weiman {AT} avicapital.com
ackerman {AT} mtventures.com
oakTBG {AT} hotoffice.net
cvonschroter {AT} westonpresidio.com
mustein {AT} gs.com
mrn {AT} us.ibm.com
chair {AT} jonesday.com
mmr {AT} darwin.ppvy.ca.us
Thomas_A._Kalil {AT} opd.oep.gov
jsims {AT} jonesday.com

The above is the list of people who got the letter saying if the money was
not forthcoming soon, the net was going to be in Big Trouble, and that no
e-commerce means no e-anything. 

                     ----------------------

Here is another place you can go for direct information, in case
you want a bit more reading on the topic of ICANN:

        "Sr. Francis Fanego" <fanego {AT} pccf.net>,
        jeri Clausing <jeri {AT} nytimes.com>, commerce <commerce {AT} mail.house.gov>
Subject: Re: [ga] Twomey and Alston and the Y2K tango
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990902063643.8533O-100000 {AT} bigbird.earth-net.net>


JeffM and all,

  Again how come I am not too surprised to hear this, yet again from yet a
third source.  To me and our group this information just points up the
fact that the ICANN and it's "APPOINTED" Government Advisory Committee,
(GAC) shows the level of incompatance that this current ICANN (Initial?) 
Interim board, is.  If you take the time to review this GAC, you will find
that several of the members that the ICANN (Initial?) Interim Board
APPOINTED, were sr. members or strong supporters of the gTLD-MoU failed
and seriously flawed effort. 

See:http://www.noie.gov.au/docs/GAC_reps.htm and
http://www.icann.org/governmental-com.html for further information.

Planet Communications Computing Facility wrote:

> The GAC is under the authority of chairman Twomey who reports to Minister
> Alston in australia.  It may interest people here that the people Twomey
> reports too, his department, is the least prepaired for the y2k tango.

> Regards
> Jeff Mason

> Planet Communication & Computing Facility     pccf {AT} bigbird.earth-net.net
> Public Access Internet Research Publisher     1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033


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Now, prior to emailing Mike Roberts at ICANN to hear the truth in this
matter, and what a damn liar Gordon Cook is about everything, you might
want to review each and every one of the emails we discussed here
yesterday in total. Instead of abridging them with a lot of text from
Gordon Cook surrounding them, this time, the full emails with only a short
introduction by Gordon. 

  Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:46:18 -0400
  To: TELECOM Digest Editor <ptownson {AT} massis.lcs.mit.edu>
  From: Gordon Cook <cook {AT} cookreport.com>
  Subject: The ICANN papers:  The emails themselves

Hi Patrick,

These are arranged in the order in which they came to me on the fax.  The
message number I have added.  It indicates their chronological order.  I
read this via telephone to someone in New York City who I pay to
transcribe stuff, so she did not have the fax in front of her.  There were
a good many typos and mis spellings.  I don't guarantee to have caught
them all.  I have preserved the formatting of the messages as faithfully
as I can.  Typo's in the original messages have been preserved.  My source
didn't have them in electronic form. 

                -------------------------------

[Message 4]

Return path:  <patrick {AT} us.ibm.com>
From: patrick {AT} us.ibm.com
X-Lotus-from domain: IBMUS
To: edyson {AT} edventure.com (Esther Dyson)
cc: mrn {AT} us.ibm.com, vcerf {AT} mci.net
Date: Tue, 8 June 1999 10:22:33-0400
subject:  Re: ICANN Emergency Funding
Content disposition:


Esther, What is ICANN doing to raise funding?  Have you personally made
any broad appeals?  It seems to me that criticism will only increase if
big companies give big amounts of money.  I think the support base needs
to be broadened.  We have [been] trying to do that via GIP but I have not
seen any visible efforts from ICANN to get other organizations behind the
effort. 

John Patrick
Vice President-Internet Technology, IBM Corporation
Chairman, Global Internet Project
Patrick {AT} US.IBM.COM

www.ibm.com/patrick   www.gip.org


		edyson {AT} edventure.com
(Esther Dyson)
			To:
				"vinton g. cerf"
		06/08/99  06/44 AM	vcerf {AT} mci.net
			cc:
Mike Roberts
				<mmr {AT} darwin.ptvy.us>
				Michael R.
				Nelson/washington/ibm {AT} 
				IBMUS, john
				Patrick/summer/ibm {AT} IBM
				US
				IWB/summers/ibm {AT} IBMUS,
				Roger
				Cochetti/washington/ib
				m {AT} IBMUS,
				roberts {AT} icann.org,
				sidgmore {AT} uunet (John
				Sigdmore)
					Subject:
			Re:	ICANN Emergency
				Funding
        ------------------------------------------------------------

[Message 3]

(embedded image moved to file: pic00014.pcx)  Terrific!  It would be very
helpful all around for the two companies to share the burden. 


Esther

        -----------------------------------------------------------

[Message 2]

 {AT} 05:19pm 07/06/99-0400, vinton g. cerf wrote:
>folks,
>
>I have talked with John Sidgmore.  We will try to get $500K
>at least "backup" in case nothing else in the way of
>fundraising works.  Mike Nelson, I have copied John Patrick and
>Irving Wladawsky-Berger on this message, as well as John Sidgmore.
>If IBM and MCI Worldcom can come up with $1M in "bridge" funding,
>to be paid back at a later time under reasonable terms that will
>not harm ICANN, then perhaps we can begin a new fundraising campaign
>knowing that we have the ability to back up the campaign with a
>rescue effort in the short term.  It will be easier for John Sidgmore
>to make the case to the MCI Worldcom management if IBM is willing to go
>into this with us and split the $1M cost.  Is it possible?
>
>I would then launch a campaign with GIP, ITAA, Internet Society,
>and other interested groups on the basis that ICANN must succeed
>or Internet will be in jeopardy.  This ought to play well with any
>company whose stock price is dependent on a well-functioning Internet.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>Vint

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[Message 1]

> {AT} 08:07am 6/7/99-0700, Mike Roberts wrote:
>>Mike/Roger/Vint-
>>The Clausing article today (pls note my new pseudonym) lays out in
>>considerable detail NSI's strategy for sinking ICANN.  And it doesn't
>>even get to the $800K in unpaid bills we have.
>>
>>Esther and Joe and I are not quitters, but reality suggest that
>>unless there is an immediate infusion of $500K to $1M there
>>won't be a functioning ICANN by the end of August.
>>
>>There are various approaches that have been kicked around in
>>the last several months - a second round from current supporters,
>>a special appeal to those who have not given yet, a loan of some
>>kind.  I don't think those of us on the ICANN side have a preference
>>one way or the other.
>>
>>We're losing Molly Shaffer Van Howling, who has been staffing this
>>area, to her clerkship next week, and do not have the resources to
>>replace her now.  Andrew McLaughlin and I will divert our
>>effort into whatever game plan you folks think best, but as the
>>saying goes, time is of the essence.
>>
>>Esther is in DC next week and I'm prepared to make myself
>>available as needed, but we really do need to get something
>>going fast.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>=================================================
>Internet is for Everyone
>Join the Internet Society and help make it so
>See you at INET' San Jose CA June 22-25, 1999
>http://www.isoc.org/inet99/
>
>
>
[End Message 3 - message 1 & 2 are contained inside 3]

Esther Dyson			Always make new mistakes!
chairman, EDventure Holdings
interim chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers
edyson {AT} edventure.com
1 (212) 924-8800
1 (212) 924-0240 fax
104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
New York, NY 10011 USA
http://www.edventure.com                    http://www.icann.org

High tech Forum in Europe October 24 - 26, 1999, Budapest PC forum,
March 12 - 16 Scottsdale, (Phoenix) Arizona


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[Message 8]

Return path:  <Joe_Sims {AT} jonesday.com>
x-lotus-from domain: ilgw {AT} jonesday {AT} jdrp {AT} outbound
From: "Joe Sims" <joe_sims {AT} jonesday.com>
To:  "chair" <chair {AT} jonesday.com>
Date:  Tue, 15 June 1999 15:42:28-0400
Subject:  Tom Kalil
Content:  Disposition: inline


Esther and I met with him today, and he promised to do what he could to
promise what he could to encourage private donations to make it clear that
we are not going to be financially starved for the foreseeable future.  He
said it would be useful to have emailed to him information on the budget,
work plans, etc. - the kind of stuff that he could give people to show
them that we have a real live operation here.  I will send him the status
report as soon as it is filed (soon); Mike, can you see him budget or
other info from the website or otherwise that meets this description? 
Thanks. 

              ----------------------------------

[Message 7]

Return path:  conrades {AT} akamai.com
Reply-to:  conrades {AT} akamai.com
From:  "George Conrades" conrades {AT} akamai.com
To:  "Esther Dyson" edyson {AT} edventure.com, patrick {AT} usibm.com
Subject:  Re:  HOT: ICANN
Date:	Mon 14 June 1999 15:52:35-0400
X-MSMail-priority: Normal
Importance: Normal
X-MimeOLE:produced by Microsoft mime ole v472.31.55.0

John, thanks so much for your help.  Do you know where IBM stands on
funding of ICANN?  We need some leadership here from corporations... Is
this a challenge IBM would take on?  I realize potential downside to ICANN
perception (capture and all that) but what about a "United Way" kind of
involvement/support. 

******************
George H. Conrades
Chairman and CEO
Akamai Technologies
201 Broadway
Cambridge, MA 02139
work- 617-250-3060
fax - 617-250-3065

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[Message 6]

>From:  Esther Dyson [mail to: edyson {AT} edventure.com]
>Sent:  Sunday June 13 1999 10:08pm
>To:  patrick {AT} usibm.com
>CC:  jdoerr {AT} kpcb.com; jimb {AT} netscape.com; gconrades {AT} polarisventures.com;
>awinblad {AT} humwin.com; bdunleavie {AT} benchmark.com; joe {AT} accel.com;
>amorgan {AT} mayfield.com; gmacnamee {AT} harnquist.com; patricof {AT} patricof.com;
>mleventhal {AT} mayfield.com; vkhosla {AT} kpcb.com; kfox {AT} internetcapital.com;
>wbuckley {AT} internetcapital.com; Grosbeck, Wye; Weiman {AT} avicapital.com;
>ackerman {AT} mtventures.com; oakTBG {AT} hotoffice.net;
>cvonschroter {AT} westonpresidio.com; mustein {AT} gs.com

>Subject:  Re: HOT: ICANN
>
>Thanks very much, John!  I've added a couple of you to the cc:
>list, spurred
>by John's excellent example.  Here is an investment you can make
>that won't
>bring direct rewards, but that will foster the success of of most of the
>companies you fund - in the internet infrastructure itself.

>Obviously, I'd be delighted to talk or meet with any of you about this...
>I'll be in the Bay area Friday and Saturday June 25 and 26, if you'd like
>me to follow up in person.  We can talk by phone earlier, let me know.
>
>Esther

             -------------------------------------

[Message 5]

>at: 2:43pm 13/06/99 0400 patrick {AT} us.ibm wrote:

>>Not sure how much all of you have been following the efforts of ICANN.
>>ICANN is trying to get the policy, technical and financial
>>aspects of the
>>Internet moved successfully from U.S. government to the international
>>private sector.  Everyone thinks this is a good idea.  In fact, I
>>would say
>>that the future of the Internet is dependent on the execution of the
>>plan.  Part of the plan is to create competition among companies that
>>create/approve/implement domain names (acell.com or later maybe
>>newco.vc)
>>and make sure they work. Not sound alarmist, but if ICANN fails
>>e-business/e-anything is in jeopardy.  This means your future investments
>>and your past ones
>>
>>The present problem is that ICANN is out of money.  Vint Cerf {AT} 
>>MCI and I
>>along with the Global Internet Project initiated a fundraising program
>>last year and it has yielded approximately $300,000 bridge funding of
>>roughly $1m is needed to get ICANN to the point where it can be
>>collecting
>>fees and sustaining itself long term.  Esther Dyson interim chairman of
>>ICANN, is making appeals throughout the industry and public sector.
>>Clearly, none of us wants any government to provide the money and attach
>>strings.  NSI, the company with the current monopoly is not cooperating
>>in various ways and slowing things down; the additional reason
>>for bridge
>>funding.  The problem is how to get the funding and get it quickly.
>>
>>Collecting small donations from a large number of companies is going to
>>take much too long. A few big companies throwing in the money creates
>>problems of "big US companies trying to dominate/control the Internet".
>>Loan guarantees might be an angle, but they present complexities for
>>companies to provide them.
>>
>>You guys and your vc colleagues have created incredibly creative
>>financings for many $billions of Internet opportunities.  Could a handful
>>of you jump in and help solve this relative trivial financial hurdle to
>>your future?  I would be happy to host a telecon call to kick some
>>ideas around if any of you thinks that could be productive.
>>Looking forward to your thoughts.  Thanks.
>>
>>John Patrick
>>Vice President, Internet Technology IBM Corporation
>>Chairman, Global Internet Project
>>patrick {AT} us.ibm.com
>>http://www.ibm.com/patrick www.gip.org
>>
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[Message 9]

Return Path: <mmr {AT} darwin.ppvy.ca.us>
From:  Mike Roberts <mmr {AT} darwin.ppvy.ca.us>
Subject:  Background info re: ICANN situation
To:	Thomas_A._Kalil {AT} opd.oep.gov
Date:	Thur 17 June 1999 09:11:51 0700 (PDT)
Cc:  edyson {AT} edventure.com, jsims {AT} jonesday.com

Tom, pleased to hear about your offer of help to Esther and Joe.  There
are three current documents that may be of use to you.  (In addition to
Esther's letter to Nader, which lays out the current terms of political
engagement.)  One is a six month status report from ICANN to Commerce,
which carefully lays out what we have been doing and why. The second is
our budget package for next year, starting at 7/1/99, which details what
the projected income is and what it is going to be used for.  Both of
these are available in html on our website, which copies better than my
ascii versions. 

The third document is a private and confidential financial statement based
on actual results as of 6/15/99 and projected to fiscal year end at
6/30/99 the most salient figure on this schedule is a negative net worth
of $727,954 at June 30.  I'd be happy to fax the entire schedule to you if
you give me a number for a machine where the schedule won't get loose. 
I'm discussing it with the CFO of Cisco tomorrow and with MCI as well,
with respect to second round of financial support.  Let me know if I can
provide additional help. 

Regards,

- Mike

               ------------------------------

And there you have the nine emails referred to yesterday, submitted
entirely so that you, the reader can evaluate them. You might want to have
the above printed out and handy when or if you decide to contact Mike
Roberts to get the 'true' story ... please notice I hardly said a thing
this time around, and neither did Gordon Cook. 

In our next installment -- yes, there will be another installment, at
least one maybe two more, we'll share a bit more of the wisdom gleaned
from reviewing other ISOC/ICANN files, and their plans for the net of the
future. 

If you do make inquiries, ask them exactly what they mean when they say
they want the 'POLICIES, financial and technical aspects of the internet
transferred to the private sector', then let me know. I don't like the
sound of that very well, do you? 


PAT

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