[Nettime-nl] zwarte lijst bijhouden

["Guusbert van der Tak" <guusbert@hotmail.com>]

Beste Marius van Dam,

Ga jij maar fijn een zwarte lijst bijhouden terwijl ze in het buitenland wel 
de ontwikkelingen rondom pim fortuyn begrijpen. Gelukkig maar overigens, 
want het zou niet veel goeds doen voor de pr van nederland als zoveel mensen 
uitlopen voor een "extreem rechtse politicus", the Dutch Devil.

regards,

Felicia


Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:11:25 +0200
Subject: Re: [Nettime-nl] Re: Beste schrijvers...
From: Marius van Dam <mailinglists@vandam.nu>
To: <nettime-nl@nettime.org>

on 12/5/02 01:02, ReindeR Rustema at subscriptions@reinder.rustema.nl wrote=
:

>Ik kreeg trouwens nota bene uit Frankrijk een tekst toegestuurd van
>Adam Curry (ze kennen hem daar niet) die zich kwaad heeft gemaakt
>over het feit dat onze Pim onterecht overal in het buitenland als
>extreem-rechts werd neergezet. Beetje warrig geschreven overigens,
>maar het staat op http://davenet.userland.com/ onder 'The Big Lie'
>van 9 mei. Curry keert zich steeds meer af van televisie, dat is nu
>wel duidelijk.

Ik stuitte enkele dagen geleden ook al op dit monster van een 'artikel'.
Misschien interessant te melden dat curry hierin aangeeft dat hij zich
eventueel aan wil sluiten bij LPF om zo zijn ICT kennis beschikbaar te
stellen.
Toen Nederland nog een land was van gematigde politiek, niet zo lang
geleden, was het niet van iedereen duidelijk waar hij stond. Nu kan ik
steeds meer BN-ers op mijn zwarte lijst zetten. (figuurlijk dan h=E8!)
Dat geld trouwens ook in het dagelijks leven.

From : 
"Guusbert van der Tak" <guusbert@hotmail.com> 	 
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Re: [media-culture] Pim Fortuin 	 
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>From: john O'Hare <j.ohare@qut.edu.au>
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>Subject: Re: [media-culture] Pim Fortuin
>Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 20:47:25 +1000
>
>   In a humane society, any Human being assassinated for their
>political views will obviously be martyred.
>
>I'd rather align myself with this view, than a politic that wishes
>people dead just because they don't agree with me!
>
>No of course the Dutch people are not all right wing, they are being
>compassionate & civilized in their response to an act of injustice
>within their society!
>
>John O'Hare
>
>
> >The living Dutch devil has died a national hero.
> >
> >Should one assume that the Dutch are all extreme right-wing -or that the
> >media got his image seriously wrong?
> >
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It's unbelieveble that in foreign countries media keep saying Pim Fortuyn
was extreme right wing.  I really wonder where they get this information ! I
strongle advise them to first  read his books, check out what he stands for
and the relation to politcs in the Netherlands. Only then they will see
through the false barrier of associations and information, things that are
been said about Pim Fortuyn. It's very tragic that everyone keeps calling
him extreme right wing, and keeps comparing him to le Pen and Haider. I
thing it's a bit stupid and easy to do, because i know they haven't read any
of his books (+ know enough about the social and political situation in
Holland to place things in the right context) Pim fortuyn certainly doesnt
deserve this, to be called a Dutch Devil. I do hope this opinion will be
straightened out and corrected someday.

Felicia
(Holland)


Dear Felicia,

Guusbert van der Tak wrote:

>Pim fortuyn certainly doesnt
>deserve this, to be called a Dutch Devil. I do hope this opinion will be
>straightened out and corrected someday.

I believe that if you read my messages properly then you should realize
that my reference to a "Dutch devil" was ironic -and that basically I
agree with you.

It is indeed a very complex (and interesting) situation. After almost 30
years of living here -I have to admit that I dislike Holland intensly.
Probably for reasons which are very close to the things which have made
Fortuin so popular -an interesting paradox!

If things so continue -then I might even get to like it here again.

Best wishes,
trevor




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