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Marleen on Wed, 1 Jul 2015 16:25:00 +0200 (CEST)


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Hoi Patrice,

Vanaf 3 euro kun je deelnemen aan de crowdfunded Greek bailout Fund.
Al 800 duizend euro opgehaald door 50 duizend mensen. Nog slechts 1.599.200.000 euro te gaan. In 6 dagen :)

Voor 25 euro krijg je een fles Retsina erbij. 

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/greek-bailout-fund#/




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> Op 30 jun. 2015 om 18:45 heeft "Patrice Riemens" <patrice {AT} xs4all.nl> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> 
> fwded as per request
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> Subject: [Nictoglobe] From our Greece correspondent
> From:    "Andreas Jacobs" <a.andreas {AT} nictoglobe.com>
> Date:    Tue, June 30, 2015 13:00
> To:      "nettime-nl" <nettime-nl {AT} nettime.org>
> Cc:      "Patrice Riemens" <patrice {AT} xs4all.nl>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> maybe of interest to some on this list....
> 
> Athens/Amsterdam June 29 2015
> Santiago Sierra - The Hellenic peninsula devoured by pigs, Video (2012)
> by Arelis Eleftherios
> 
> 
> 
> --Videostill from The Hellenic Peninsula Devoured By Pigs
> Athens/Amsterdam June 29 2015 Pigs eating peninsulas of food shaped like
> Greece, Portugal, Spain or Italy.
> P.I.G.S as we know from the - northern - European press are the countries
> of the mediterranean member states of the European Union (EU): Portugal,
> Italy, Greece and Spain. Sierra changes the term showing pigs as symbol of
> prosperity, filth [ see the scandal of Siemens, Germany in Greece ] and
> greediness from the rich ex-colonial powers of greater Europe and their
> financial violence.
> 
> .....
> 
> zie:
> 
> http://nictoglobe.com
> 
> see below for Arelis personal remarks on the current situation in Greece:
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: eleftherios arelis <elarelis5 {AT} gmail.com>
> Date: 25 juni 2015 13:11:17 CEST
> To: Andreas Jacobs <a.andreas {AT} nictoglobe.com>
> Subject: Re: santiago sierra 2
> 
> i dont have a problem on that..... imf and comission have reduced the
> last 5 years
> the value of euro in greece at least 7 times with a variation of taxies....
> we pay taxies for municipalities 60 euro per 2 months in the bill of
> electricity...
> they wanted enfia [350 euros per year for a house]as an income for
> municipalities i mean the ex government of samaras and imf but we pay
> indeed taxies for our houses...the new liberal marietta yiannakou
> koutsikou supports this idea to pay a double taxies for the houses
> that we stay with the blessing of imf and comission...imf,central
> european bank and comission are telling lies to their nations that
> they do not demand austerity measures from the greek government.they
> want to caught ekas that it is being estimated from 30 until 240 euros
> approximatelly for pensioners of 300 euro or 400
> euro....they want to increase fpa in electricity 10% and a greek
> famigle with 4 members to pay 700 euros per 2 months only for
> electricity...they want the privatization of eydap and to pay not 100
> euros but 200 euros or 300...
> they disagreed with the suggestion of tsipras for the 29% taxies of the
> profits
> of huge companies due to their colonial new liberal spirit that
> dominates their mind and their body and spirit....they asked only 28%
> for the profits of huge companies
> protecting the foreighner and greek capitalists....they are telling
> lies to their citizens and this must have an ending now...donald tusk
> spoken for that this bad joke must end by the greek
> government...donald tusk shall ask from christine lagarde to stop
> jokings,terrorism  and bullying against greek nation...now...before it
> is too late for all of us...
> tsipras made his realistic proposals with a huge cost but they want to
> humiliate syriza as the previous governments because they are afraid
> other political movements such as podemos in spain or lepen on
> france...a new sacred alliance[1815] was born in europe that wants to
> strangulate national or leftists movements and they use greece as an
> example of destruction...they ask  irrational measures and if germany
> likes so much imf then it must proceed on new programmes with
> austerity measures made by imf.on the german nation to see that imf is
> a nightmare with out ending..
> imf is like nazis who occupied greece in the 40s...they destroy
> countries and they dont rebuild them...the debt of greece is
> extremelly huge 320 billion euros and the funds ask now 11 billion
> euros with measures...and they have the nerve to call themselfs as
> flexibles...if they were not flexibles they would have asked from
> greece to pay and the 320 billions in 1 year....matteo renzi has right
> when he says that some dark cycles wishes the exit from eurozone...we
> can not pay this debt...
> it is impossible under these circumstances...greece will default with
> certainty after these measures if they become realite...they gain only
> time the european leaders...
> only time nothing else...they want to increase fpa to 23% in the food
> and energy...
> that means that greeks will loose again 10% of their national
> income...only from that measure...from electricity greeks will loose
> another 10% of their income...from caughting pensions and salaries
> another 10 and so goes on...imf doesnt stop its irrational demands
> from the greek nation...what they are proposing is default with other
> words...and some greeks are hypnotized by new democracy, pasok and the
> potami who serve imf with a very good way and they say if we go to
> drachma we will loose the 80% of our income...in the last 5 years i
> ask from these corrupted parties how many times the income inside
> eurozone had reduced;;;800%...the money of greeks is being transferred
> to the central european bank and imf and some persons are getting
> richer taking advantage off the situation..
> 
> all the best from greece
> 
> arelis .
> 
> 2015-06-22 21:20 GMT+03:00, Andreas Jacobs <a.andreas {AT} nictoglobe.com>:
> hi Arelis
> 
> is it ok to share your post to nettime.nl?
> 
> Andreas
> 
> Sent from my eXtended BodY
> 
> On 22 jun. 2015, at 13:02, eleftherios arelis <elarelis5 {AT} gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> dear andreas
> 
> for the consequences i dont know...but when the imf, the central european
> bank
> and comission refer to the reforms they mean more austerity measures....
> more unemployed people...par example in the educational system this
> year they will not hire noone...many teachers are unemployed as you
> can understand
> 
> more expensive products...with euro we had reduced the value of bying
> and cell many times the last 15 years....it is like we have drachmas
> but to reduce the power of drachma each year 30%....this policy is
> destruction
> we pay taxies for the unemployed 30% taxies for the rents 10% taxies
> for the house that we live...taxies for the income of course and they
> ask more and more taxies
> having as a result the people to take money from their accounts to pay
> taxies
> that have a direction to pay imf .and greeks become poorer and poorer each
> day
> and the general feeling is that our money go to the germany and imf.to
> pay the loans that greece ows to imf, european countries and general
> central european bank of draggi.
> this situation has not an ending because the measures do not resolve
> the problem
> 
> 
> 
> par example electricity for 4 people it is 400 euros per 2 months with
> 23% fpa that they ask we will pay 100 euros more
> per 2 months....they want to make private the industry of water and to
> pay more money for this privatization....they want also to cut even
> and the smallest
> pensions and salaries that are 300 euros per month...
> in the end all they will work freely as you can understand with out
> any salary or pension in the future because the unemployed are 30% of
> population or even more.
> 
> greece needs investements package not loans with out ending as the 3
> foundations ask from greece
> tsipras tries to make them to understand this but they dont....
> they insist on the wrong medecine for greek economy and things are
> getting worse and worse
> 
> any questions on these topics;;;
> 
> arelis
> 
> 
> 
> 
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