John Hopkins on Mon, 3 Jun 2002 06:59:07 +0200 (CEST)

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Re: <nettime> On Empire


>All if which are the invention of the hacker class, as i
>define it. The hacker class encompasses all those who create,
>whether it be music, text, computer code, new drugs, new
>subatomic particles...

it would seem that you are getting to the place where a 
materialist-based classification of the actual "thing" produced is 
NOT a clue as to the social relevance or psychic "good" of an 
individuals role per se.  There are plenty of people "creating" music 
who are feeding the system.  And NOBODY is "creating" sub-atomic 
particles, they are merely building language-based blocks on the 
dominant model of reality that science has been constructing for a 
few hundred years.  Having said that, what about "measuring" a 
persons efficacy by defining classes that are based on an individuals 
ability to either support existing social systems or to challenge 
those systems IN PRACTICE (i.e., NOT in talking about it or writing 
about it)

... or is that religion?

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