nettime's media art ontologist on Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:55:49 +0100 (CET)

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     Kenneth Fields <>                                                

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     "porculus" <>                                                

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     Peter Luining  <>                                           


Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:28:48 +0800
From: Kenneth Fields <>
Subject: media arts

Do something about. Do while you talk - theorize - discuss. Help with 
the digital art ontology at . It may be a bit of a 
glass bead game, but you'd be surprised how hard it is sometimes to be 
specific. Until we do, there is no rigor in Mudsville. By the way, 
those terms are just the tip of the iceverb.


> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:25:46 +0100 (CET)
> From: David Gonzalez <>
> Subject: <nettime> questions to nettime
> I've  got a question seeking some kind of answer please..
> does anybody know why there's such a mess with the terms
> media arts
> new media arts
> digital art
> interactive art
> and also sometimes they all get mixed up into the 
> art+science+technology area
> as part of it....
> ?

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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:43:00 +0100
From: "porculus" <>
Subject: Re: <nettime> questions to nettime

> from
> Duchamp's Readymades to Christo's wrapped Reichstag.
> The rest is little more than territorial squabbling among
> academics.

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why embarasse yourself with those ridicoulous catholique tiny duchampian
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that couldnt even not amusing vatican no more he had to cross over
atlantique for stuning those uptight aborigene living there called newyorker
& this traumatized when young jansenist christo who wanted to veiled
vrithing since he saw his mother stark naked..stop to look down just at the
end of you american nike, raise your head & look up over there..beyond your
gang & just read what all foucaldian would find as kilotonic poezis,
flabbergasted as pliny in front of a vomiting vesuvius, in fear to be change
of stone of salt if you were only a second disturb by anything else than
'because its effect start sooner and last much longer, shipped worlwide'.
adios XX centuryz with its never honoured promise & blah media, hello
declassified XXI century, at last all the military secret secularised hombre


Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:29:30 +0100
From: Peter Luining  <>
Subject: Re: <nettime> questions to nettime

Sunday, February 22, 2004, 1:38:24 PM, robert wrote:

robert> V2 probably got it just about right all those years ago when
robert> they called themselves "Institute for the Unstable Media".
robert> "Unstable Media" not only covers all the technical media
robert> (defined as anything that needs electricity and an on-off
robert> switch) but also most 20th Century art forms -- from
robert> Duchamp's Readymades to Christo's wrapped Reichstag.

Right, but with Unstable Media I also have to think of paint on
unprepared canvas or bad quality ink on on paper, so what a lot of
people would call old media. So an important factor with all this
is the material, bad quality ink or paper will last even shorter that
an old analogue cassette tape. 


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