Nina Temporär on Tue, 6 Nov 2018 03:00:09 +0100 (CET)


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Re: <nettime> apropos of nothing


Yes, yet another sad moment the „spot the mistake“ game seems a level too high here...

If one wants to see a silver lining in this whole incident, it’s that it helped make the deep
contempt for certain minorities surface that’ve been lingering in nettime’s viscera.

Therefore I also do think It’s an important question Angela posed.

Brian, you criticised AB for flaws in his ‚political theory‘, yes, and thanks for that - 
But is cocking one’s head and patiently explaining everything to a verbally very grown-up abuser, 
At the cost of women and POC, really the right way to change sth?

I don’t think so. With his „anti-filter-bubble“ request, AB has very skilfully lulled everyone
Into believing they are anti-democratic when not accepting his kind of speech.
But what he has actually done by this, is extending his very own wellness-zone.


Am 04.11.2018 um 01:12 schrieb Angela Mitropoulos <angela.mitropoulos@gmail.com>:

It is a simple and straightforward question that I would like answered. It makes no inferences about whether recruitment is effective, or even deliberate rather than aesthetic. But I'm grateful for the evidence you've furnished, dear, about the way in which women are told to calm down and shut up, no matter the tone they take, so that those who think women and black people are less than human and not entitled to take up space can keep ranting on at length about how everyone other than white guys are less than human. I mean, I'm grateful that you've illustrated the reason why I asked this question in the first place. That said, I have no interest in debating this further. 

I simply repeat my question, and would like it answered. Preferably in the negative. But if in the affirmative, then I would like to suggest that Nettime be shuttered because any benefit it had for creating a better world has long past. The world doesn't need a longform version of Gab, or Gab for that matter. 

Angela

On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 at 10:29, Willem van Weelden <w.v.weelden@chello.nl> wrote:
dear angela,
relax dear.
it is ok.
noone is recruiting anyone here.
chill.
best,
w


> On 03 Nov 2018, at 23:04, Angela Mitropoulos <angela.mitropoulos@gmail.com> wrote:
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> What is Nettime's policy on whether or not it should give fascists a platform from which to recruit?
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> Angela
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