"Nina Temporär" on Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:42:41 +0200 (CEST)


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Re: <nettime> less (net time) is more


 
Dear Andreas,
I know you mean it in a good way and are simply speculating...

...but just as little reminder - "mentor system": Yikes, that is
the perfect tool to render it most likely that hierarchies reproduce
themselves. It is gonna be like the vatican then. o_O

Also, as the problem of the list has been so far that it was mostly
white men "in their best years" (not saying old, am against ageism
ever since i start to turn old myself ;)) who are posting here,
what would be the solution: Older men mentoring younger women??
...
...
(don't need to comment on that ;))

...
...

Best N
 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Juni 2019 um 16:06 Uhr
Von: "Andreas Broeckmann" <ab@mikro.in-berlin.de>
An: nettime <nettime-l@kein.org>
Betreff: Re: <nettime> less (net time) is more
panos, friends,

i like this idea, especially because it highlights what is valuable
about many of the exchanges that include the conviviality of arguing.
(once upon a time, in the later 1990s, there was a string of such
meetings... [incl. big arguments about joint projects like the READ ME
publication])

i also like how panos's proposal gives a mild hint that loneliness might
be one of the ghosts that have haunted nettimers in the last months, or
longer.

maybe instead of creating a strict rule ("no single-author e-mails"),
panos's suggestion can be taken as an encouragement for all of us people
before posting: to whom can i show this before it gets posted?

so, "ideally", any message would come from a relay-person, a mentor
chosen by the author...

ok, i see the problems of such a system, but i like the feeling of being
in this "convivial dream nettime" for a while... ;-)

regards,
-a


Am 11.06.19 um 23:03 schrieb panayotis antoniadis:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I have been following since a few years and tried many times to write
> but for some reason never pressed the send button.
>
> It is perhaps that I was always wanting to suggest somehow obvious,
> simple things, which have been said before many times. But I do think
> that it is important to keep trying with the simplest ideas.
>
> So, for me a possible future for mailing lists would be to simply make
> face-to-face contact an integral part of their main "communication
> protocol".
>
> I don't know, a few people meeting more or less randomly and then making
> the habit to send a common e-mail to a list would be cool. Then a
> possible proposal for the future of nettime: Single e-mails forbidden!
> People should send to the list only if they are at least with one more
> person discussing live the content of their common e-mail.
>
> In any case, if we are serious about privacy, sovereignty, ecology, etc,
> we need less not more data, even if they "belong to the people".
>
> Instead of claiming for more private, secure, user-owned data I think we
> should actively question first data itself, and demand less connected
> things, less blockchain world savers, less online groups, etc.
>
> Anyway, I am happy that I finally sent my first e-mail to nettime
> without thinking too much about it :-)
>
> Best,
>
> Panos
> http://nethood.org/panayotis/
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