Lichty, Patrick M on Wed, 20 Jan 2021 18:51:46 +0100 (CET)


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Re: <nettime> The Left Needs a New Strategy


As a brief provocation, I think the question might relate to the American form of democracy versus other models like the Indian one, which has its own issues, but it is operating at 3x the size of America. The norion of radical democracy versus representative versus republican democracy, social democracy. 

In short, if democracy morphs in ways that are appropriate to the milieu, It still seems one of the most viable forms unless we see that social media affect democracy like the shift to written language disrupted Classic al Greece.

On 1/20/21, 11:12 AM, "Adam Burns" <nettime-l-bounces@mail.kein.org on behalf of adamb@free2air.net> wrote:

    Hi Brian,

    On 19/01/2021 19:29, Brian Holmes wrote:
    > Democracy as collective self-governance basically works - to the
    > extent it ever does work - when different groups of people achieve
    > consensus and even some degree of common purpose by peaceful,
    > procedural deliberation.

    I am of the opinion that this may have been true.

    But.

    Does this least worse form we call democracy scale in our current
    environment?

    In my humble life of something over 50 years, human population has
    doubled. Despite the tragedy of the death rate of COVID, it has hardly
    made a dent on human population growth. The entire global pandemic has
    put back human population growth back by less than a week.

    Now add time. And digital media & platforms. And speed of propagation of
    machine mediated communications. Global scale communication (with its
    current limitations) is now almost instant and vast in reach. Albeit in
    forms controlled and influenced by relatively new media players.

    We are, I believe, stumbling in the dark. Human beings (animals) need
    space and time to digest change and to recognize patterns.

    The more we come to understand the nature of large complex systems, the
    more we see that certain qualia only make sense at certain ranges of
    scale before models, concepts, and classifications break down.

    As James Lovelock has recently written in his book Novacene, do we need
    silicon to add to our carbon to help the universe look and understand
    itself further through the conversion of energy to information? Or is
    this something we cannot abide?

    I'm unsure whether we really understand where we are at this point of time.

    Not that we ever have!

    Best to all,

    Adam.


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