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paul van der walt via nettime-l on Mon, 12 May 2025 03:04:56 +0200 (CEST)
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Re: <nettime> Ece Temelkuran: Can the term ‘cloud fascism’ help us understand – and resist – the hard right? (TG)
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- Subject: Re: <nettime> Ece Temelkuran: Can the term ‘cloud fascism’ help us understand – and resist – the hard right? (TG)
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- Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 10:34:01 +0930
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Cade,
On Mon, May 12, 2025, at 09:41, Cade Diehm via nettime-l wrote:
> Thanks for posting, Patrice.
>
> This op ed got me thinking, so I wrote a reply: [...]
Well said. I read the piece when it showed up on the Guardian, and i remember feeling like it addressed real concerns but not being able to put my finger on the unease i had with the framing. I think you hit the nail on the head – these threats are real, but we decide the framing of the discussion we're having, and as you say – talking about a faceless and unknowable "cloud fascism" denies the fact that behind these movements are flesh and blood people directing the proceedings that happen in physical data centres (or offices, or whatever), alongside us in (mostly) the same society.
Cheers,
p.
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