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[Nettime-bold] Re: <nettime> other than pocock's boycotts
Heiko Recktenwald on Mon, 17 Feb 2003 02:24:02 +0100 (CET)

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[Nettime-bold] Re: <nettime> other than pocock's boycotts


On Sun, 16 Feb 2003, philip pocock wrote:

> the term i use 'embargo' in my open letter to manovich, you humorously 
> equate with boycott.

Sorry, the discussion had allready moved and I didnt thought about the
future cinema show. Future cinema of today will happen in the next weeks,
what zkm showed was more future cinema of yesterday. I saw the zkm show
only one day and cant remember much. Gary Hill is all I remember and some
other things, mostly in black and white. The dog in the snow. Sitting in
the big hall, well, cowboys etc. Upstairs, there were movies made out of
computergames. Manovich wasnt so ugly, but I wasnt impressed. My thoughts
on that day where somewhere else anyway.

> it's not however what i intend to say exactly. an online embargo 
> distinguishes itself from a RL embargo. i intend by embargo, no 
> censoring or 'boycotting' but simply a concept-clarifying open forum 
> that exposes for the online record, the misappropriation of terms, their 
> muddling by manovich, for motivations only he knows.

My favourite database is still orang.orang.org, in orange, hacked.

With a human touch. Maybe wikiwikiwiki comes near, since it has no strict
structure (exept the awfull lingo you have to learn).

I think you take Manovich too serious, is he so important?

unmovie was a database based structure, but what I remeber from that day
was kind of an inflation of the use of this word. CD-Roms, collections of
pictures, a "database"? Only arthistorians can think in this way, for
others, it was just trivial director.

Good luck,


> what soft cinema ignores, consciously or not, is that (Open Database 
> Management Systems) blurs lines between consumption (classic media-prop) 
> and the emerging of user participation, co-production of knowledge (and 
> media art). Soft cinema gives any ground new media may open back to the 
> classic control of tv news, using databases of the soft cinema sort for 
> decades (without manovich's mondrianesque, eye-candy effect). manovich 

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