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Morlock Elloi <morlockelloi@yahoo.com> RE: <nettime> wireless commons digest [stalder, elloi] (fwd) "Saul Albert" <saul@twenteenthcentury.com> Re: <nettime> WiFiCo [weisman, elloi] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 12:54:11 -0800 (PST) From: Morlock Elloi <morlockelloi@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: <nettime> wireless commons digest [stalder, elloi] (fwd) > So who is it that is attempting to "kill almost all hopes"? Hope needs to be based on reality - otherwise it's an illusion. Killing illusions is a Good Thing. Not easy, though, like a lemming trying to stop the herd (pack ? school ?) without offering immediate alternative. Well, I think that creating a lemming congestion at the cliff edge is more hopeful deal than jumping (which is, admittingly, more spectacular and less boring.) ===== end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From: "Saul Albert" <saul@twenteenthcentury.com> Subject: Re: <nettime> WiFiCo [weisman, elloi] Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:11:07 -0800 RE: 'Wireless Commons Manifesto': Imho, 1). Commercial projects that use but do not threaten the 'common' status of transit in the network should be facilitated by it. 2). The word 'community' is a bit of a spuzzword* and could be used more carefully and critically here. 3). A proliferation of 'free network agreements', like the proliferation of public licenses is a very good idea. The 'wireless commons definition' is a good start, another is at http://www.picopeer.net/wiki/index.php/PicoPeeringAgreement . Have Nettimers seen any others? 4). Wireless is just one way to deploy free networks. Many groups use a combination of wired/wireless nets to save cash. I prefer 'free network' to 'wireless' because it covers any tech. However, suring up the unlicensed status of 8011*'s radio spectrum is a useful. * http://www.dicshunary.com/view_dict.php?issue_id=15 Thread response: Mike Weisman <popeye@speakeasy.org> wrote: > Missing > from the mix is a robust application that allows a user to travel from node > to node while connected; to drive around or use the network while on a bus > or walking. I do expect to see this soon, however. http://www.locustworld.com does out of the box meshing. Could be even more interesting if a Free Networks agreement is built into it. > But I'm still > waiting to see someone do more than offer a nifty way for me to check my > email or use a Web-based browser based app. ICECast audio streamer/reflector has been known to stream local audio on the Free2Air network. (www.free2air.net) other media streaming/scheduling apps are in use over local wireless networks. Anyway, the 'content' is not the point. It's about owning the infrastructure. > community networks and their > hacker/activists are the future market for commercial ventures. I learned > all about wireless networks from helpful hackers. Now, I am about to > subscribe to a commercial service for when I travel. Ease-of-use is the > reason; isn't that always the case? No. By all means connect to a commercial provider to collect your email in hotel lobbies. But if you want an unmetered local network, connect your neighbourhood cheaply with cable and link to nearby (but physically separate) buildings with wireless (or whatever makes economic/technical sense). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net