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Morlock Elloi <morlockelloi {AT} yahoo.com>
     RE: <nettime> wireless commons digest [stalder, elloi] (fwd)
"Saul Albert" <saul {AT} twenteenthcentury.com>
     Re: <nettime> WiFiCo [weisman, elloi]

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Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 12:54:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Morlock Elloi <morlockelloi {AT} yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: <nettime> wireless commons digest [stalder, elloi] (fwd)

> So who is it that is attempting to "kill almost all hopes"?

Hope needs to be based on reality - otherwise it's an illusion.

Killing illusions is a Good Thing. Not easy, though, like a lemming trying to
stop the herd (pack ? school ?) without offering immediate alternative. Well, I
think that creating a lemming congestion at the cliff edge is more hopeful deal
than jumping (which is, admittingly, more spectacular and less boring.)


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From: "Saul Albert" <saul {AT} twenteenthcentury.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> WiFiCo [weisman, elloi]
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:11:07 -0800

RE: 'Wireless Commons Manifesto':

Imho,

1). Commercial projects that use but do not threaten the 'common' status of
transit in the network should be facilitated by it.

2). The word 'community' is a bit of a spuzzword* and could be used more
carefully and critically here.

3). A proliferation of 'free network agreements', like the proliferation of
public licenses is a very good idea. The 'wireless commons definition' is a
good start, another is at
http://www.picopeer.net/wiki/index.php/PicoPeeringAgreement . Have Nettimers
seen any others?

4). Wireless is just one way to deploy free networks. Many groups use a
combination of wired/wireless nets to save cash. I prefer 'free network' to
'wireless' because it covers any tech. However, suring up the unlicensed
status of 8011*'s radio spectrum is a useful.

* http://www.dicshunary.com/view_dict.php?issue_id=15


Thread response:

Mike Weisman <popeye {AT} speakeasy.org> wrote:

> Missing
> from the mix is a robust application that allows a user to travel from
node
> to node while connected; to drive around or use the network while on a bus
> or walking. I do expect to see this soon, however.

http://www.locustworld.com does out of the box meshing. Could be even more
interesting if a Free Networks agreement is built into it.

> But I'm still
> waiting to see someone do more than offer a nifty way for me to check my
> email or use a Web-based browser based app.

ICECast audio streamer/reflector has been known to stream local audio on the
Free2Air network. (www.free2air.net)
other media streaming/scheduling apps are in use over local wireless
networks.

Anyway, the 'content' is not the point. It's about owning the
infrastructure.

> community networks and their
> hacker/activists are the future market for commercial ventures.  I learned
> all about wireless networks from helpful hackers.  Now, I am about to
> subscribe to a commercial service for when I travel.  Ease-of-use is the
> reason; isn't that always the case?

No. By all means connect to a commercial provider to collect your email in
hotel lobbies. But if you want an unmetered local network, connect your
neighbourhood cheaply with cable and link to nearby (but physically
separate) buildings with wireless (or whatever makes economic/technical
sense).

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