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Re: <nettime> FW: [CSL]: Jeremy Rifkin: Dazzled by the science
     Philip Galanter <list@philipgalanter.com>
     Benjamin Geer <ben@beroul.uklinux.net>

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:04:29 -0500
From: Philip Galanter <list@philipgalanter.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> FW: [CSL]: Jeremy Rifkin: Dazzled by the science

Rifkin must be using some kind of transgenic technique on 
me...whenever he speaks I feel compelled to interject "Quack! Quack! 
Quack!"

Philip

At 9:41 AM +0000 1/15/03, David Wood wrote:

>-----Original Message-----
>From: J Armitage [mailto:j.armitage@UNN.AC.UK]
>Sent: 15 January 2003 07:57
>To: CYBER-SOCIETY-LIVE@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>Subject: [CSL]: Jeremy Rifkin: Dazzled by the science
>
>
>Dazzled by the science
>Biologists who dress up hi-tech eugenics as a new art form are dangerously
>deluded
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From: Benjamin Geer <ben@beroul.uklinux.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> FW: [CSL]: Jeremy Rifkin: Dazzled by the science
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:18:07 +0000

On Wednesday 15 January 2003 9:41 am, David Wood wrote:
> [quoting Jeremy Rifkin's article]
>
> Art, historian Lewis Mumford reminds us, "is
> essentially an expression of love, in all of its many forms ... in contrast
> to technics, which is mainly concerned with the enlargement of human
> power".

The early days of modernism were full of art that celebrated the power of 
technology.  The Eiffel Tower was an early example of technology-as-art, and 
the Futurists would have been delighted with genetic engineering.  But 
perhaps some of today's artists have forgotten what happened to that early, 
giddy optimism about machines: it was crushed by the harsh realities of two 
world wars.  I hope a similar rude awakening about the dangers of genetic 
engineering isn't in store for us.

Ben


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