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Table of Contents: Re: <nettime> Help! intertwilight <kovats@intertwilight.net> Re: <nettime> Help! Ian Dickson <ian@iand.demon.co.uk> Re: <nettime> Help! "porculus" <porculus@wanadoo.fr> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:15:26 +0200 From: intertwilight <kovats@intertwilight.net> Subject: Re: <nettime> Help! Dear Doug, this is quite a thread you're threatening ... perhaps your profs should revisit any major art event of the past ... 30, 40 or ... 80 years? Perhaps they should think of the arts of telecommunications as really the art of Modernism (wireless technology, medium is message, open systems ...) perhaps take a short bumble along the infra-thin ... ? Perhaps they are only challenging you to define your stance on modernism as a space within telecommunications? - -s > hi, > > I have been a great fan of nettime for a number of years but never > contributed. I am currently writing a Masters dissertation on Bob > Adrians World in 24Hrs and would like to start a thread to help me > through the angst I am suffering. My profs at university are adament [...] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:39:40 +0100 From: Ian Dickson <ian@iand.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: <nettime> Help! In message <200404191811.i3JIB9D09845@bbs.thing.net>, DOUGLAS LEMAN <doug@belper.fsnet.co.uk> writes > hi, > > I have been a great fan of nettime for a number of years but never > contributed. I am currently writing a Masters dissertation on Bob > Adrians World in 24Hrs and would like to start a thread to help me > through the angst I am suffering. My profs at university are adament [...] What is, or is not art is ALWAYS in the eye of the beholder. If you think that telecommunications art is Art, then write about it. But equally there is nothing wrong in the Profs thinking you wrong. (Maybe they have read your work and since you argue that telecommunications art is the pinnacle of the dissolution of the art object they are one step ahead of you in spotting that the pinnacle of dissolution implies that there is nothing there, hence no art object, hence whatever it is that you are writing about, it isn't art:-) It seems to me that you are now facing the dilemma that faces many artists - if you cannot convince them then in going beyond the bounds laid down by your superiors you have to risk rejection, which, if you are in fact right, will lead to a long and rocky road and your eventual elevation to heroic champion status and a professorship in Telecommunications Art. Your other best option is to find a different institution. Or move to a self developed PhD. (It can be done. A father of a friend of mine was an engineer who spent many years studying one type marine snail, for fun, and wrote up his work and was awarded a Doctorate from a UK Uni). In artist terms - your existing audience doesn't understand you (think "county set"). You can argue with them, probably fruitlessly, but better find an audience that does (think "hip urban"). If of course you can't find such an audience then you are either wrong, end of story, or possibly Van Gogh, and posthumous fame as the father of Telecommunications Art awaits. I think option 2 is the one that, if you can do it, leads to maximum happiness:-) Good luck! - -- ian dickson www.commkit.com phone +44 (0) 1452 862637 fax +44 (0) 1452 862670 PO Box 240, Gloucester, GL3 4YE, England "for building communities that work" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:23:53 +0200 From: "porculus" <porculus@wanadoo.fr> Subject: Re: <nettime> Help! > This relates to theories of Rhizomes in the form of > Felix/Guattari, and the 'open work' by Umberto Eco. if you would mean 'postmodern' in saying rhizome is as much declassified freiheit logos for being used as rumzfeld rethoric as for instance you would say it's time UN guys take some lead in their ass in bagdad at their turn, i agree, after all imagine just a second all deleuzian tools were already worn out by an odiouz netart list whom motive were to destruct in mass all humor & funny zingz for promoting oafy & ugly undertaker of anythingz that could become even a beginning of something democratic..hey dont believe i have lesson to give but i have heard one used & juged of wealthy trouts in clear & good water supplying why not to go to the whole hog in this electronical flux. or you live high or not ------------------------------ # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net