| Tarık Aktaş on Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:11:51 +0200 (CEST) |
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you really sound funny about this facebook discussion.im perhaps at the age of your graduate students and i have no facebook (had one for sure) and as you see i am aware of what a list is. especially considering this very old one. still i dont think i am outcast. and i wonder what is it that you feel isolated from. a hyperactive sum of dynamics constructing the fb youths' purpose of existance? Or do you want to know the Anu Muhammads of all? it was a religious holiday when i saw this post and thought this must be a chitchat or something? because for me there where nothing else to do. i read some of the posts that were not repeading the problem or not offering a web application. this list has lots of advantages like events, source sharings and etc. still it is an encounter for me which some i avoid getting in to. so my question is how do you determine your dynamics? and still i want to discuss lots of things especially on media theory -oder medienphilosophie, but not media anthropology- (the aim, the results, the methods, the action...) related events or articles mostly shared by the list but i guess its not the moment right now. now the discussion is how to comminucate? (are you serious, in this era? ) tarik www.nopage.com (very funny; my aim was to imply i have no site to paste. but it turns out there is. sure there is) 2009/9/25 <nettime-l-request@kein.org> > Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to > nettime-l@kein.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nettime-l-request@kein.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nettime-l-owner@kein.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nettime-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Has Facebook superseded Nettime? (Patrice Riemens) > 2. Re: Has Facebook superseded Nettime? (Evan Buswell) > 3. Re: flushing (Naeem Mohaiemen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:13:12 +0200 > From: "Patrice Riemens" <patrice@xs4all.nl> > Subject: Re: <nettime> Has Facebook superseded Nettime? > To: "nettime" <nettime-l@kein.org> > Message-ID: > <652222c2811d426e726deda4ca5a85b0.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Right On! And there is possibly a 'geographic' gap as well. Nat Muller > told me the other day that in Egypt, 'nobody' uses e-mail any longer, > everything is on FaceBook. That probably holds true in a lot of 'younger' > countries. If you're not on FaceBook (and/or Twitter), you're out of the > loop. And my one generation younger friends in Amsterdam tell me basically > the same. And I do indeed feel being more and more out of the loop. > > To me, it looks fairly hopeless: (i) we won't close the numbers gap with > FB with any f/oss / p2p application. (ii) many of us won't make the jump, > but if they do, they'll leave the old mediums. (iii) 'free' (as in beer) > web 2.0 apps are possibly going to collapse in a near future under the > twin crush of energy over-consumption and financial constraints, leaving > quite a many people and groups beached. > > I dunno, I felt very confy with the old 'new' media, lists, e-mail, etq. I > remember Geert Lovink saying once "no new media before the old ones are > finished" ... > > I'm afraid I am bowing out. > > Cheers all the same, > patrizio and Diiiinooos! > (got a new samovar, a real one! http://www.sobaci.com/osman/semaver.jpg > works on charcoal, and yet is very easy to handle & cool-down & clean...) > > > Perhaps this isn't relevant to the analysis of this vs that but I > > think noone has mentioned a generation gap. None of my graduate > > students know what a list is (Graduate Fine Arts, School of Visual > > Arts, granted not new media but still). > <...> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:23:24 -0700 > From: Evan Buswell <ebuswell@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: <nettime> Has Facebook superseded Nettime? > To: nettime-l@kein.org > Message-ID: > <c43e79fa0909231223g1ac00311o674d792187943ded@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > See also riseup.net's crabgrass: > > https://we.riseup.net/crabgrass/about > > Evan > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:35 AM, jaromil <jaromil@dyne.org> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > re all, > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:58:08PM +0200, Florian Cramer wrote: > > > >> What is the solution? Is something like Facebook needed, but as a > >> decentralized, non-data-minable, user-owned system? > > > > it's kind of funny now to report ?here, when about a year ago i didn't > <...> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:47:11 -0400 > From: Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.mohaiemen@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: <nettime> flushing > To: "nettime-l@kein.org" <nettime-l@kein.org> > Message-ID: <3716DCA3-22CA-4CC1-8114-8CB861E882E5@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > We have a similar phenomenon with uttorshuri, one of the Bangladeshi > activist lists. We get a flood of emails within ten minute span once > every two weeks. I really want to know about the police attack on > professor Anu Muhammad a week after he's out of hospital. :-) > > ---- > Naeem Mohaiemen > Skype: naeembangali > > On Sep 19, 2009, at 6:00 AM, nettime-l-request@kein.org wrote: > > <...> > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:42:09 +0200 > > From: Andreas Broeckmann <ab@mikro.in-berlin.de> > > Subject: <nettime> flushing nettime-ann down the drain > > To: nettime-l@kein.org > > Message-ID: <a06240899c6d4208ac8e0@[192.168.2.101]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > > > friends, > > > > if the nettime-ann administration can only be done every fortnight, > > you might just as well kill the list altogether - this barrage of > > messages from the waiting loop is total nonsense - nobody will want > > to look at any of this. > <...> > > > > ------------------------------ > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mail.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > > End of nettime-l Digest, Vol 24, Issue 17 > ***************************************** > --0016361640c545278e047464e25d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you really sound funny about this facebook discussion.<div>im perhaps at th= e age of your graduate students and i have no</div><div>facebook (had one f= or sure) and as you see i am aware of what a list is. especially considerin= g this=A0</div> <div>very old one. still i dont think i am outcast. and i wonder what is it= that you feel</div><div>isolated from. a hyperactive sum of dynamics const= ructing the fb youths' purpose of existance?=A0</div><div><span class= =3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 1= 3px; border-collapse: collapse; ">Or do you want to know the Anu Muhammads = of all?</span></div> <div><br></div><div>it was a religious holiday when i saw this post and tho= ught this must be a chitchat or something?</div><div>because for me there w= here nothing else to do. i read some of the posts that were not repeading= =A0</div> <div>the problem or not offering a web application.</div><div><br></div><di= v></div><div>this list has lots of advantages like events, source sharings = and etc. still it is an encounter for me</div><div>which some i avoid getti= ng in to. so my question is how do you determine your dynamics?</div> <div><br></div><div>and still i want to discuss lots of things especially o= n =A0media theory -oder medienphilosophie, but not media anthropology- (the= aim, the results, the methods, the action...) related events or articles m= ostly=A0shared by the list but i guess its not the moment right now. now th= e discussion is how to comminucate?</div> <div>(are you serious, in this era? )</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><d= iv><br></div><div>tarik</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.nopa= ge.com">www.nopage.com</a>=A0=A0(very funny; my aim was to imply i have no = site to paste. but it turns out there is. sure there is)</div> <div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/9/25= <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:nettime-l-request@kein.org";>netti= me-l-request@kein.org</a>></span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s= tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to<br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"mailto:nettime-l@kein.org";>nettime-l@kein.org</a= ><br> <br> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://mail.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l"= target=3D"_blank">http://mail.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l</a><br> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"mailto:nettime-l-request@kein.org";>nettime-l-req= uest@kein.org</a><br> <br> You can reach the person managing the list at<br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"mailto:nettime-l-owner@kein.org";>nettime-l-owner= @kein.org</a><br> <br> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br> than "Re: Contents of nettime-l digest..."<br> <br> <br> Today's Topics:<br> <br> =A0 1. Re: Has Facebook superseded Nettime? (Patrice Riemens)<br> =A0 2. Re: Has Facebook superseded Nettime? (Evan Buswell)<br> =A0 3. Re: flushing (Naeem Mohaiemen)<br> <br> <br> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 1<br> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:13:12 +0200<br> From: "Patrice Riemens" <<a href=3D"mailto:patrice@xs4all.nl";>= patrice@xs4all.nl</a>><br> Subject: Re: <nettime> Has Facebook superseded Nettime?<br> To: "nettime" <<a href=3D"mailto:nettime-l@kein.org";>nettime-l= @kein.org</a>><br> Message-ID:<br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<<a href=3D"mailto:652222c2811d426e726deda4ca5a85b0.squi= rrel@webmail.xs4all.nl">652222c2811d426e726deda4ca5a85b0.squirrel@webmail.x= s4all.nl</a>><br> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=3Diso-8859-1<br> <br> Right On! And there is possibly a 'geographic' gap as well. Nat Mul= ler<br> told me the other day that in Egypt, 'nobody' uses e-mail any longe= r,<br> everything is on FaceBook. That probably holds true in a lot of 'younge= r'<br> countries. If you're not on FaceBook (and/or Twitter), you're out o= f the<br> loop. And my one generation younger friends in Amsterdam tell me basically<= br> the same. And I do indeed feel being more and more out of the loop.<br> <br> To me, it looks fairly hopeless: (i) we won't close the numbers gap wit= h<br> FB with any f/oss / p2p application. (ii) many of us won't make the jum= p,<br> but if they do, they'll leave the old mediums. (iii) 'free' (as= in beer)<br> web 2.0 apps are possibly going to collapse in a near future under the<br> twin crush of energy over-consumption and financial constraints, leaving<br= > quite a many people and groups beached.<br> <br> I dunno, I felt very confy with the old 'new' media, lists, e-mail,= etq. I<br> remember Geert Lovink saying once "no new media before the old ones ar= e<br> finished" ...<br> <br> I'm afraid I am bowing out.<br> <br> Cheers all the same,<br> patrizio and Diiiinooos!<br> (got a new samovar, a real one! <a href=3D"http://www.sobaci.com/osman/sema= ver.jpg" target=3D"_blank">http://www.sobaci.com/osman/semaver.jpg</a><br> works on charcoal, and yet is very easy to handle & cool-down & cle= an...)<br> <br> > Perhaps this isn't relevant to the analysis of this vs that but I<= br> > think noone has mentioned a generation gap. None of my graduate<br> > students know what a list is (Graduate Fine Arts, School of Visual<br> > Arts, granted not new media =A0but still).<br> =A0<...><br> <br> <br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 2<br> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:23:24 -0700<br> From: Evan Buswell <<a href=3D"mailto:ebuswell@gmail.com";>ebuswell@gmail= .com</a>><br> Subject: Re: <nettime> Has Facebook superseded Nettime?<br> To: <a href=3D"mailto:nettime-l@kein.org";>nettime-l@kein.org</a><br> Message-ID:<br> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<<a href=3D"mailto:c43e79fa0909231223g1ac00311o674d79218= 7943ded@mail.gmail.com">c43e79fa0909231223g1ac00311o674d792187943ded@mail.g= mail.com</a>><br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8<br> <br> See also <a href=3D"http://riseup.net"; target=3D"_blank">riseup.net</a>'= ;s crabgrass:<br> <br> <a href=3D"https://we.riseup.net/crabgrass/about"; target=3D"_blank">https:/= /we.riseup.net/crabgrass/about</a><br> <br> Evan<br> <br> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:35 AM, jaromil <<a href=3D"mailto:jaromil@dyne= .org">jaromil@dyne.org</a>> wrote:<br> <br> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br> > Hash: SHA1<br> ><br> ><br> > re all,<br> ><br> > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:58:08PM +0200, Florian Cramer wrote:<br> ><br> >> What is the solution? Is something like Facebook needed, but as a<= br> >> decentralized, non-data-minable, user-owned system?<br> ><br> > it's kind of funny now to report ?here, when about a year ago i di= dn't<br> =A0<...><br> <br> <br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> Message: 3<br> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:47:11 -0400<br> From: Naeem Mohaiemen <<a href=3D"mailto:naeem.mohaiemen@gmail.com";>naee= m.mohaiemen@gmail.com</a>><br> Subject: Re: <nettime> flushing<br> To: "<a href=3D"mailto:nettime-l@kein.org";>nettime-l@kein.org</a>"= ; <<a href=3D"mailto:nettime-l@kein.org";>nettime-l@kein.org</a>><br> Message-ID: <<a href=3D"mailto:3716DCA3-22CA-4CC1-8114-8CB861E882E5@gmai= l.com">3716DCA3-22CA-4CC1-8114-8CB861E882E5@gmail.com</a>><br> Content-Type: text/plain; =A0 =A0 =A0 charset=3Dus-ascii; =A0 =A0 =A0 forma= t=3Dflowed; =A0delsp=3Dyes<br> <br> We have a similar phenomenon with uttorshuri, one of the Bangladeshi<br> activist lists. We get a flood of emails within ten minute span once<br> every two weeks. I really want to know about the police attack on<br> professor Anu Muhammad a week after he's out of hospital. :-)<br> <br> ----<br> Naeem Mohaiemen<br> Skype: naeembangali<br> <br> On Sep 19, 2009, at 6:00 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:nettime-l-request@kein.org";>= nettime-l-request@kein.org</a> wrote:<br> <br> =A0<...><br> > Message: 1<br> > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:42:09 +0200<br> > From: Andreas Broeckmann <<a href=3D"mailto:ab@mikro.in-berlin.de";>= ab@mikro.in-berlin.de</a>><br> > Subject: <nettime> flushing nettime-ann down the drain<br> > To: <a href=3D"mailto:nettime-l@kein.org";>nettime-l@kein.org</a><br> > Message-ID: <a06240899c6d4208ac8e0@[192.168.2.101]><br> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" ; format=3D&q= uot;flowed"<br> ><br> > friends,<br> ><br> > if the nettime-ann administration can only be done every fortnight,<br= > > you might just as well kill the list altogether - this barrage of<br> > messages from the waiting loop is total nonsense - nobody will want<br= > > to look at any of this.<br> =A0<...><br> <br> <br> <br> ------------------------------<br> <br> # =A0distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission<= br> # =A0<nettime> =A0is a moderated mailing list for net criticism,<br> # =A0collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets<br> # =A0more info: <a href=3D"http://mail.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l"= target=3D"_blank">http://mail.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l</a><br> <br> End of nettime-l Digest, Vol 24, Issue 17<br> *****************************************<br> </blockquote></div><br></div> --0016361640c545278e047464e25d-- # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mail.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@kein.org